Sunday, 10 December 2017

Ashtanga Authorisation 1980 - Present. Includes first ONLINE teaching list (Ashtanga.com 2004) and first AYRI teachers list (2008).

Update 14th feb 2018

New KPJAYI list

This post will end up as an update on my Ashtanga Authorisation 1980s to present post and page.



http://www.kpjayshala.com/australia-and-new-zealand.html


The new KPJAYI (not the Sharathjois.com) list is up. 

There seems to be some consternation that this list, while reinstalling many of the names clumsily removed by Sharath, is at least one year old. 

If it's the case that Sharath wasn't a director, as is being suggested ( we need actual confirmation of this from Saraswati), but merely an employee, then the list, all the names on it and the fees received surely belong to the KPJAYI, having the original link to direct to sharathjois.com is, I imagine, misappropriation. 

Sharath is surely legally bound to release all information regarding teachers he has authorised on behalf of the KPJAYI and thus allow them to update the list ( that's probably still the case if he was a director) and remove the redirect from kpjayi.org to Sharathjois.com. 

If Sharath intends to go his own way with sharathjois.com (the appropriation of the Jois name rather than his own family name is another question altogether) then I perhaps he needs to be starting from scratch and ‘authorise’ teachers in his own name rather than in that of the KPJAYI, it's messy. 

There are more than enough lawyers in Ashtanga to confirm if this is the case. 

No doubt many teachers, who consider Sharath their teacher will prefer to be on the sharathjois.com list rather than the KPJAYI list. 

This is one reason I've supported the Ashtanga.com list and championed the idea of a non profit foundation, perhaps along the lines of the KYM ( Krishnamacharya Yoga Mandiram) with a public audit. 

The Ashtanga Yoga Confluence last week did a good job I thought of dismissing lists altogether (I'm hoping to transcribe some of the comments from Richard, David, Dena, Tim and Manju if no videos appear sharable on YouTube) but also of showing how hurtful it was to be removed, a betrayal of the decades of devotion and dedication to practice and the passing along of the practice as well as the personal blessing of KPJ. 

See this post for the backstory.

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Update: march 2018 Manju's list - see Appendix end of post





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Update 8th feb 2018 :

A new 'honorary' category has appeared on the kpjayi (now Sharathjois.com) teachers page. Only a handful of teachers added however compared to the number removed.




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"Manju then told us how moved he is by all these teachers putting their heart and soul into sharing his father’s teachings with the world. He said that to teach, all we need is a blessing- not a piece of paper. He also reiterated that yoga is about looking within and knowing oneself, not getting a certificate. When asked about parampara, he said that traditionally parampara is about maintaining the patriarchal lineage but that his father treated all his students as his children, so all the teachers on the panel (and by extension, all of us) are part of the parampara". 

This post will become a permanent page at the top of the blog, a work in progress attempt to chart the development of the Ashtanga Authorisation process alongside my other pages on Ashtanga Vinyasa History.


It's become a long post.

Original post 1980

Update 1. 2018

APPENDIX 
to original post. Includes...

1. First ONLINE mention of the cost of studying at AYRI - Dec 2001
2. First mention ONLINE of Authorisation process - Ashtanga.com - Jan 2004
- Includes request for all teachers to sent in their Authorization letters to be replaced/renewed

"Starting in January 2003, the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute will issue NEW official authorization letters to authorized Ashtanga Yoga teachers. All authorized teachers are requested to send their original authorization letters to AYRI in exchange for official authorization letters on AYRI letterhead. AYRI will then notify Ashtanga.com of the teachers' names that can be re-listed on Ashtanga.com. Failure to turn in your original authorization letter may result in removal from the teachers' list."

3. First ONLINE List of teachers - Ashtanga.com Jan 2004 (basis of the AYRI list)
4. First AYRI Authorisation details mentioned on AYRI website - May 2007
5. First AYRI ONLINE Authorised/Certified List - 22 Aug 08 


APPENDIX 2

Jan 17th 2018 - Certified teachers removed from the list.

KPJAYI Authorised and Certified Teachers list Current  Jan. 2018 )and Archive (pre June 2017).


APPENDIX 3 Jan 27th. 2018

 Sharath’s new Authorization/Certification code of conduct

Update

Sharath's response to recent criticism on the kpjayi.org/Sharathjois.com website

Update

Original 1984 message to students from  R. Sharath and Pattabhi jois on changes to Authorisation and the list.


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Original post
1980
"Guruji gathered us together for one final meeting.  At this gathering he told us which westerners he felt were qualified to teach.  It was a fairly short list—David, Brad, Nancy, Gary, and a few others.  Since Brad had decided to move to Maui, he wanted me to take over his school in Encinitas.  He asked Guruji, “What about Tim?”  Guruji looked perplexed and said, “Who?” “Tim,” Brad repeated,  and pointed at me.  “Oh, that man,” Guruji replied, and studied me for a moment.  “Yes, that man is some better, okay.” 

And so, on the magical island of Maui in December of 1980, Guruji reluctantly granted me permission to teach.  One stipulation was that I was to send him Guru Dakshina (one tenth of my earnings as a yoga teacher) every month.  It seemed a small price to pay for his blessing". 
Tim Miller 'Dust'.




2016

"This past Sunday during the final panel discussion of the 2016 Ashtanga Yoga Confluence, a question was asked about the concept of Parampara and how it is interpreted in the Ashtanga tradition. David Swenson reminded all of us that Guruji’s own eldest son, Manju, was present in the room, and if anyone could be considered the true lineage holder it would be him. Everyone in the room stood up and gave Manju an ovation. It was a very moving moment. I looked over at Dena and saw her eyes welling up with tears just like mine. Manju was very gracious and said that as far as he was concerned, all of us sharing the stage with him and countless other teachers throughout the world are all part of the Parampara.

He explained that his father was very generous with his teachings—that his primary concern was with the practice spreading throughout the world because of his firm conviction that Ashtanga Yoga is the very best thing one can do to insure physical, mental, and spiritual health." 
Tuesdays with Timji



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This from KPJAYI Certified Ashtanga teacher Mark Robberds on fb today addressed to the Yoga community

"Dear yoga community, 

This is my Certification from KPJAYI or AYRI as it was called back then. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but this is the only institute in the world that can 'Certify' Ashtanga teachers in the lineage of Sri K Pattabhi Jois. I am writing this because I've noticed that there are a lot of people selling Ashtanga Teacher Trainings to unknowing students out there. I have devoted the greater part of the last 20 years to this practice and tradition, for more than 15 years almost every dollar that I have earned I have put into my continuing education and study with my teachers. I am not alone in this: I have seen thousands of dedicated practitioners pouring their heart and soul into this practice day after day and year after year. 

     I am by no means a perfect human being, so I cannot throw the first stone - but I feel a need to voice my opinion about this since I've noticed that there are students going to Mysore and practicing with Sharath, and then going and running these Ashtanga Teacher Trainings. First of all, there are so many long time students that I know who could not get into the shala this year because it was too full - so those people are taking the place of others that are actually students of Sharath, and not just going to Mysore to get their photo taken outside of the shala, and then claiming to be Ashtanga teachers. Secondly, by 'Certifying' students you are making the word 'Certified' a joke, and you are lying to the students who are paying you. 

     Call it something else - Hatha, Vinyasa, Power, or clarify that you are teaching Patanjali's Ashtanga Yoga philosophy, but don't mislead people by calling it an Ashtanga Yoga Teacher Training. 

     I know there is a want and need for people to deepen their studies, so I would recommend you to go to the teachers who have been teaching for 20 years or more, like Richard Freeman, Tim Miller, Dena Kingsberg to name just a few. Don't go to these opportunists who are running a business out of the trainings - because no one can teach you to be an Ashtanga teacher overnight. It takes more than that. You need to be a student first and practice at the source or with teachers connected the lineage".


If you are a friend of Mark's on fb he includes a very cool photo of his certification that looks more 1970 than 2010. 


I am very much in agreement with Mark's last paragraph but while I too feel that what characterises our practice of Ashtanga vinyasa is a dedicated daily practice over a period of years I do not feel that KPJAYI should have sole authority to Authorise teachers on behalf of the Ashtanga community ,which is the subject of my post below.



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UPDATE 1
 2018

This from Mark Robberds on fb today ( I just checked, he posted this on his public page as well as his personal page).

Mark Robberds 9 hrs · 
"To end any speculation as to why I have been taken of the KPJAYI list I feel the need to tell my story. In April last year I noticed I had been taken off the list and then a friend informed me that there were rumours going around about it. I wrote to Usha in June to ask if it was true and she replied that, “Yes, we have been told that you are not teaching traditionally and mixing in different things and we are waiting for you to explain yourself”. I wrote back saying that I am teaching 5 days a week Mysore classes and one Led class per week. I teach chanting and philosophy and technique workshops to help students better understand the postures”. She wrote back saying, “Ok, I will inform Sharath.” The next thing I knew I was back on the list. 
So, I’m not surprised that I am now off the list again, as anyone who reads my social media posts would know that I am sharing more than only traditional (KPJAYI) Ashtanga Yoga. So, I’m ok with it, as it is Sharath’s shala and his call. Of course it saddens me because I had such a good connection with him and I have so many fond memories of the times I had as his student. However I don’t agree with everything that is taught, for example I don’t believe that ‘catching’ your ankles or knees in a backbend should be a requirement. I also believe that just as we modify the practice for pregnant women or for disabled people, we need to modify the practice in some way, and address dysfunctional movement patterns in almost all individuals because we all come to the practice with imbalances - otherwise people end up getting injured and leave the practice feeling bitter. All I’ve ever tried to do is help my students practice in a more intelligent and sustainable way so that they can continue to enjoy the practice and integrate it into the rest of their lives for their lifetime. But, I accept that Sharath doesn’t have to agree with my approach, and therefore I accept his decision and I will move forward with no hard feelings. I will continue to share all that I can in the best way that I can and I hope that some of you will continue to practice with me despite what has happened. I also hope that there will be no ill feelings towards/from my friends in Mysore who continue to practice with Sharath and of course no ill will between Sharath and myself. In the end we are all doing the best we can in this life. Big love to all. ❤️  "



Just to illustrate the above...





And screenshots taken from May-June 2017 using Way back machine (internet Archive)

Just by glancing at the certified teachers in RED we can see that Dena Kingsberg, Mark Robberds, Ian Clarke, David Roche and John Scott are no longer on the list, and this is just to mention Certified teachers on the Australia and new Zealand region page. 

If you are inclined to go through the other pages using way back machine, visit https://web.archive.org/ then paste in http://kpjayi.org/teachers-directory/asia/  Click on one of the dates from perhaps the end of last year, (30th December 2017 for example) then visit the other regions on the page that comes up - I might do this myself and add the screenshots to an appendix), feel free to add names you notice that have been removed in the comments section to this post.













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In the next few days/weeks I intend to include quotes by the early teachers, from different sources, relating to how they first received blessing to teach directly from Pattabhi Jois (beginning with the quote at the top of the post from Tim Miller).

Around the time of Pattabhi Jois' passing all teachers of Ashtanga were requested to send in their Authorisation letters or those letters by Pattabhi Jois giving his blessing to teach to have them replaced with new Authorisation letters on the new letterhead

"All authorised teachers are requested to send their original authorisation letters to AYRI in exchange for official authorisation letters on AYRI letterhead. AYRI will then notify Ashtanga.com of the teachers' names that can be re-listed on Ashtanga.com". 

This was perhaps the first souring of the Ashtanga teacher authorisation process. It may go back further however, to the move from a general letter of blessing from Pattabhi Jois to a more formal Authorisation  from the institute in the late 90s


"In addition to receiving certification or authorisation to teach, you are required to teach Ashtanga Yoga in the TRADITIONAL FORMAT. The traditional format consists of daily classes in the Mysore style in correct sequential order and without deviation from the traditional form of the asanas as taught by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois at the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute in Mysore, South India. The traditional format includes the practices outlined in the Yoga Mala, Astanga Yoga by Lino Miele, and Ashtanga Yoga by John Scott. Explicitly indicate on your website and brochures that such traditional Ashtanga Yoga is offered". 2004


Currently I'm hearing, unofficially, that Authorisation follows a minimum of three extended visits to Mysore and a cost of more than a $1000 dollars paid to the institute for an authorisation letter which will expire after 2 years? I've heard Certification costs between $2000 and $4000. 

Update - Certification is supposedly a one-time-only payment of somewhere from 2-3 lakh


1 lakh = 100,000 IRP
200,000 IRP = $3137.62
300,000 IRP = $4706.44


There seems to be a growing consensus of opinion among many that there needs to be a reevaluation of the Ashtanga Authorisation process.


The first AYRI ONLINE teachers list (2004) has 133 teachers mentioned

The current (2016) KPJAYI  list has 547 teachers mentioned
(Africa -2, Asia-113, Australia and NZ- 40, Central and South America-26, Europe-131, North America-235)

( I'm hoping that under a promise of anonymity some recently authorised teachers may get in touch with me to reveal the ACTUAL cost of authorisation and certification to give a more up-to-date accurate figure as well as the cost of renewal, is it $1000 to renew your letter of authorisation each year, if so KPJAYI would supposedly be raking in $250,000 a year in renewal fees and growing all the time.)

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Ashtanga.com picked up on the dramatic increase in teacher authorisation between 2002 and 2006

"Here we take a close look at the trend in Ashtanga yoga teachers during the past four years. It looks like the number of Ashtanga yoga teachers, authorized or certified by the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute grew by 179% from February 2002 to December 2006 (which means that we underestimated student growth earlier).
Not only that, but it also seems that the rate of teacher authorizations is increasing.

Number of teachers authorized or certified by AYRIDo you detect a trend?
This data comes from Ashtanga.com’s monthly newsletters which publishes new teachers’ names every month – we looked at all the newsletters from March 2002 until December 2006.

The total number of authorized Ashtanga teachers was 176 (including 34 certified teachers) as of December 29, 2006. Since early 2002, a total of 113 new teacher authorizations have been announced on Ashtanga.com".
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My personal feeling is that the KPJAYI can no longer claim that only authorisation by the institute is valid.

"The list on this website constitutes the official record of teachers approved by the KPJAYI, which is the only authority able to authorise or certify individuals to teach the ashtanga yoga method as taught by Shri K. Pattabhi Jois and R. Sharath. There are no teacher training programs approved by this Institute under any name (e.g., Ashtanga Teacher Intensive); teachers that are listed on this website are experienced practitioners and dedicated students who have shown a considerable degree of proficiency and appreciation of ashtanga yoga in its traditional form and who continue to study regularly at the KPJAYI."


KPJAYI's authorisation should be recognised as a letter of approval by THAT institute to teach on THEIR behalf rather than the only authority to grant authorisation, similar institutes, schools and programs of excellence around the world, led by senior teachers should perhaps be instigating their own programs of teacher training, mentoring and teacher development leading to approval to teach in their name that carries equal standing ( in many ways this is happening already).


I lean towards returning to the criteria and values represented by the Ashtanga.com referral teachers listing this was the list originally employed by AYRI until around 2007 


"To obtain a teacher directory listing on Ashtanga.com, you must be referred by a senior Ashtanga yoga teacher who is listed on Ashtanga.com.

The determination of whether a person may be considered a "senior Ashtanga yoga teacher," for the limited purpose of referring junior teachers to the Ashtanga.com teacher list, is based on multiple factors, including: the number of years of consistent Ashtanga yoga practice and study with a teacher; which teacher (e.g., Sri K. Pattabhi Jois); special certifications within the lineage; number of years teaching Ashtanga yoga; works created (e.g., articles, books, videos, CDs and other instructional aids, yoga schools); and general standing within the yoga community. - full criteria HERE

The current Ashtanga.com list can be found here http://ashtanga.com/html/classes.html



But perhaps David Swenson had a better idea. At this years (2016) Ashtanga Yoga Confluence he (perhaps only half jokingly) suggested that rather, all students should be sent on a certification course to recognise good teachers rather than trusting in a piece of paper of authorisation.


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One suggestion

Bring together all the members of the Ashtanga Yoga Confluence panel from the last few years, forming a panel of trustees for a nonprofit International Ashtanga Federation. Approval to teach is given by the federation (for a nominal administration fee) to those who have practiced Ashtanga for a significant period and shown, perhaps through assisting, mentorship, or apprenticeship programs or course or past teaching experience that that they can pass on the practice safely and with integrity.  
Other senior teachers will be encouraged to join the federation recommending perhaps students of their own who have already been through such a period of apprenticeship of have perhaps already been teaching.

Supposedly Lino Miele had the same idea a few years back and tried to set up a Federation of Ashtanga Centres.

"In 1993, he (Lino Miele) created the Federation of Astanga Yoga Centres with a few other dedicated students". http://www.linomiele.com/?pagina=aboutlino.php

Unfortunately he set a fee of 100-150 US$ to be affiliated per year and the idea never took off.

I feel it's important that any future federation be nonprofit with free affiliation (sell T-Shirts to cover administration if necessary) and with a board of respected trustees to remove any suggestion of centralisation.


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NOTE: I'm just a home practitioner  (9 yrs this month) and blogger living in rural Japan with no particular desire or intention to formally teach Ashtanga vinyasa, either now or in the future. I look forward however to more informed debate and discussion on the topic from others more qualified than I to do so.


“I get it. Working this system is like counting dog years. 7 years of human practice = 1 ashtanga year.” Stanka Kordic

So my nine years is like a year and a bit in Ashtanga years, which puts it in perspective.


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APPENDIX


1. First ONLINE mention of the cost of studying at AYRI - Dec 2001

2. First mention ONLINE of Authorisation process - Ashtanga.com - Jan 2004
Includes request for all teachers to sent in their Authorization letters to be replaced/renewed

"Starting in January 2003, the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute will issue NEW official authorization letters to authorized Ashtanga Yoga teachers. All authorized teachers are requested to send their original authorization letters to AYRI in exchange for official authorization letters on AYRI letterhead. AYRI will then notify Ashtanga.com of the teachers' names that can be re-listed on Ashtanga.com. Failure to turn in your original authorization letter may result in removal from the teachers' list."

3. First ONLINE List of teachers - Ashtanga.com Jan 2004
(basis of the AYRI list)


4. First AYRI Authorisation details mentioned on AYRI website - May 2007


5. First AYRI ONLINE Authorised/Certified List - 22 Aug 08 


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1. Ashtanga Yoga Nilayam 15 dec 01

If you'd like to attend classes at the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute in Mysore please write to:
Sri K. Pattabhi Jois
876/1 First Cross
Laxmipuram, 570004 Mysore
 Karnataka, India
Please include your full name, home address, arrival date, and duration of your stay.
The class fees are $350 US per month, with a $200 registration fee the first month. Please allow for a minimum stay of one month, however three months are recommended in order to have time to learn the practice properly. Food and lodging are not provided, but there are good hotels and restaurants nearby.



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2. Authorized Teachers  


Part 1 Before the the Authorised teacher list on Ashtanga.com there was the 'Classes' page.

from Wayback machine Feb. 1999

Yoga Schools



To be listed on this page, your ashtanga school must meet all of the following criteria:
1. Offer at least one class in TRADITIONAL ASHTANGA (ASTANGA) YOGA (e.g., Mysore-style, Primary Series);
2. Explicitly state or indicate on your Web site and brochures that traditional ashtanga yoga is offered; and
3. Provide your address, instructors' names and teaching backgrounds, types of ashtanga classes, and studio history.
4. If you also would like your logo listed, e-mail it to betty@ashtanga.com in GIF or JPEG format in a 10K or smaller file size. Logos are subject to editing for easy loading.
5. Listings are subject to removal if classes no longer meet the above criteria.


*Note: If you are PERSONALLY AUTHORIZED by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois to teach ashtanga yoga, an asterisk will be placed next to your studio name (subject to confirmation by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois). (Please be patient if the asterisk has not yet appeared next to your listing.)

Namaste. United States Australia Canada Finland France India Israel Italy New Zealand United Kingdom UNITED STATES NORTHERN CALIFORNIA Ashtanga Yoga School of San Francisco Robert Brook, Director Shotwell Studios 3252A 19th Street San Francisco, CA 94110 Center of Balance 1220 Pear Avenue, Suite I Mountain View, CA 94043 (650) 967-6414 Center of Balance Beverly Frederick Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga Marin/Sonoma Emily Griffith Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga Monterey/Pacific Grove Cathy Hall Finnish Brotherhood Hall 1970 Chestnut Street Berkeley, CA It's Yoga 848 Folsom Street San Francisco, CA 94107

Monkey Yoga Shala Tim Thompson 3215 Lakeshore Ave Oakland, CA 94610 Piedmont Yoga Studio 4125 Piedmont Avenue 4131 1/2 Piedmont Avenue Oakland, CA San Francisco Yoga Shala 1500 Castro Street @ 25th Street San Francisco, CA 94114 Soma Yoga 30 Minna Alley (between 1st and 2nd Streets & Mission and Howard Streets) San Francisco, CA Yogasource 525 Alma Street Palo Alto, CA 94301 (650) 328-YOGA The Yoga and Movement Center 2940 Camino Diablo, Suite 200 Walnut Creek, CA 94596 The Yoga Studio* John Berlinsky 650 East Blithedale Mill Valley, CA 94941 Yogic Arts Studio 1097 54th St. #C Oakland, CA 94608 (510) 595-YOGA 4th Street Yoga 1809C 4th Street Berkeley, CA 94710 (510) 845-YOGA SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Astanga Yoga Center* Tim Miller, Director 118 West E Street Encinitas, CA 92924 San Luis Obispo Yoga Centre Peter Sterios, Director 967 Monterey Street P.O. Box 653 San Luis Obispo, CA 93406 Yoga Works* (two locations) Maty Ezraty and Chuck Miller 2215 Main Street Santa Monica, CA 90405 1426 Montana Avenue, Second Floor Santa Monica, CA 90403 COLORADO The Yoga Workshop* Richard Freeman 2020 21st Street Boulder, CO 80302 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA Ashtanga Yoga Center David Ingalls 4435 Wisconsin Ave N.W. Washington, D.C. 20016 FLORIDA Boca Yoga 450 NE 20th St Boca Raton, FL 33431 ILLINOIS N.U. Yoga Center Suddha Weixler 3047 N. Lincoln Avenue, Suite 320 Chicago, IL 60657 MASSACHUSETTS Harvard University Ashtanga Yoga Practice Joji Montelibano Eliot House - Dance Studio (Mon-Fri, 6-9am) Harvard University Cambridge, MA 02138 (Note: need Harvard ID to enter Eliot House; otherwise, contact Joji for admittance.) NEW YORK Astanga Yoga Shala* Eddie Stern 611 Broadway, Room 203 New York City, NY 10012 Jivamukti Yoga Center 404 Lafayette Street, 3rd Floor New York, NY 10003 Power Yoga Thom Birch and Beryl Bender Birch OHIO Joyful Practice Yoga Martha Marcom 479 North Columbia Avenue Columbus, OH 43209 PENNSYLVANIA Yoga Sport 950 Colwell Lane (@ Superfit Gym) Conshohocken, PA 19428 TEXAS The Center For Awareness Jeri-Sue Barron 2507 Lazydale Drive Dallas, TX 75228 UTAH Yoga Central 1550 E. 3300 So. Salt Lake City, UT 84106 VERMONT Yoga Vermont Kathy McNames, Director Box A23 Chace Mill Burlington, VT 05401 WASHINGTON The Ashtanga Yoga School 1412 12th Avenue Seattle, WA 98122 INTERNATIONAL AUSTRALIA Ashtanga Yoga Moves* The Verona Building 17 Oxford Street Paddington 2021 NSW Centre of Balance Dena Kingsberg P.O. Box 1443 Byron Bay 2481 NSW Gold Coast Yoga Centre 2 Fleay Court Burleigh Heads West Queensland 4220 CANADA Downward Dog Yoga Centre Ron Reid and Diane Bruni 110 Spadina Avenue @ Adelaide St.W. Studio #212 Toronto, Ontario M5V 2K4 Kaivalya Yoga Centre Allison Ulan, Director 401 Richmond St. W., Studio 1 Toronto, Ontario M5V 3A8 FINLAND Astanga Yoga Helsinki* Vilhonvuorenkuja 20 F 00500 Helsinki Finland FRANCE Centre Samasthiti - Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga Caroline Boulinguez Paris France INDIA Astanga Yoga Research Institute* Sri K. Pattabhi Jois, Director R. Sharath, Assistant Director 876/1 First Cross, Lakshmipuram Mysore 570004 Karnataka State, South India ISRAEL Ashtanga Yoga--The Israeli Center Gilad and Miri Harouvi 10 Shoken Street, First Floor Tel Aviv 65153 Israel Shimon Ben-Avi 7 Ha'Etzel Street Karkur 37068 Israel ITALY Astanga Yoga School* Lino Miele Via Cassia, 698 00189 Rome Italy NEW ZEALAND Auckland Yoga Academy 33 High Street Auckland City, NZ UNITED KINGDOM Astanga Vinyasa Yoga in the North 3 Owlers Walk Todmorden Lancs, OL14 8HY UK John C. Scott Yoga Therapy Centre Royal London Homeopathic Hospital 60 Great Ormond St London WC1 Oxford Ashtanga Timetable December 1998 - April 1999 (courtesy of Ian Macdonald)
Raphael Dabora Colemans Hatch (near Forest Row) E. Sussex Sangam Yoga Studio 80A Battersea Rise Clapham Junction London SW11 1EH UK The Yoga Centre 16 Canning Street Edinburgh EH3 8EG UK
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Part 2 - in 2000 the classes page turned into the first
list of teachers authorised by Pattabhi Jois.

Yoga Schools This list contains only teachers PERSONALLY AUTHORIZED by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois.
See the Ashtanga.com Requirements for Listing for more information. UNITED STATES Arkansas California (Northern) California (Southern) Colorado District of Columbia Hawaii Illinois New York Ohio Oregon Texas Washington ASIA AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND CANADA EUROPE UNITED STATES ARKANSAS Louise Ellis 2332 Hatfield Street Fayetteville, AR 72703 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA John Berlinsky The Yoga Studio 650 East Blithedale Mill Valley, CA 94941 Betty Lai Center of Balance 1220 Pear Ave, Suites I & J Mountain View, CA 94043 Leigha Nicole (2 locations) San Francisco Yoga Shala 1500 Castro Street (@ 25th Street) San Francisco, CA 94114 7th Heaven Body Awareness Center 2820 7th Street Berkeley, CA 94710 Mark Yeo 7th Heaven Body Awareness Center 2820 7th Street Berkeley, CA 94710 (510) 665-4300 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Manju Jois Certified (son of Sri K. Pattabhi Jois) 2428 CMTO Ocean Cove Cardiff, CA 92007 Tim Miller Certified Astanga Yoga Center 118 West E Street Encinitas, CA 92024 ashtangayoga@home.com Maty Ezraty Chuck Miller Certified Yoga Works (2 locations) 2215 Main Street Santa Monica, CA 90405 1426 Montana Avenue, Second Floor Santa Monica, CA 90403 Kimberly Flynn Noah Williams Ahimsa Yoga 3820 Sunset Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90026 Jorgen Christiansson Maha Yoga 13050 San Vicente Blvd #202 Los Angeles, CA 90049 Steve Dwelley Santa Barbara Yoga Center 32 East Micheltorena Street Santa Barbara, CA 93101 David Miliotis Santa Barbara, CA (805) 692-9469 Andrea Werner Santa Barbara, CA COLORADO Richard Freeman Certified The Yoga Workshop 2020 21st Street Boulder, CO 80302 The Yoga Workshop Annie (Grover) Pace Certified Box 125 Crestone, CO 81131 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA David Ingalls Kelly Lynch Ashtanga Yoga Center 4435 Wisconsin Ave N.W. Washington, D.C. 20016 HAWAII Nancy Gilgoff House of Yoga & Zen Makawao, Maui, HI 96768 Norman Allen Kona, HI David Williams Maui, HI ILLINOIS Suddha Weixler N.U. Yoga Center 3047 N. Lincoln Avenue, Suite 320 Chicago, IL 60657 NEW YORK Eddie Stern Certified Patanjali Yoga Shala 611 Broadway, Suite 203 New York, NY 10012 Guy Donahaye (2 locations) Astanga Yoga Shala (at Segue Performance Space) 303 E. 8th Street New York, NY 10009 Patanjali Yoga Shala 611 Broadway, Suite 203 New York, NY 10012 Chris Buhner Patanjali Yoga Shala 611 Broadway, Suite 203 New York, NY 10012

David Life Certified Sharon Gannon Jivamukti Yoga Center 404 Lafayette Street, 3rd Floor New York, NY 10003 OHIO Martha Marcom Joyful Practice Yoga 479 North Columbia Avenue Columbus, OH 43209 OREGON Vance Selover Gillian Lerner Portland Ashtanga Yoga 3736 N.E. 17th Avenue Portland, OR 97212 TEXAS David Swenson Ashtanga Yoga Productions 3350 Highway 6, #194 Sugarland, TX 77478 WASHINGTON David Garrigues Certified Catherine Garrigues Certified The Ashtanga Yoga School 1412 12th Avenue Seattle, WA 98122 ASIA - AUTHORIZED TEACHERS INDIA Sri K. Pattabhi Jois, Director Sri R. Sharath, Assistant Director Astanga Yoga Research Institute 876/1, 1st Cross Lakshmipuram Mysore - 570004 Karnataka State, South India Sharmila Rao's Tutorials (granddaughter of Sri K. Pattabhi Jois) 5th Block Jayanagar Bangalore - 560041 Karen Haberman Certified Gerald Disse Bharat Nivas P.O. Poste Restante 605101 Auroville Tamil Nadu, South India Rolf Naujokat Certified Kirsten Berg Goa, India MALAYSIA/SINGAPORE Mark Yeo markyeo@hotmail.com (Mark is currently teaching in Berkeley, California. See Northern California classes) AUSTRALIA - AUTHORIZED TEACHERS Carl Nelson's Australia Ashtanga page Eileen Hall Certified Peter Sanson Tim Burns Paul Frechtling Mike Berghan Victoria Grouden Ashtanga Yoga Moves The Verona Building 17 Oxford Street Paddington 2021 NSW Dena Kingsberg Certified Centre of Balance P.O. Box 1443 Byron Bay 2481 NSW Iain Clark Certified Astanga Yoga Shala PO Box 5828, West End Brisbane Qld 4101 Monica Gauci Gregor Maehle 8 Limbs Ashtanga Yoga (2 locations) 2nd Floor, 3 Mouat Street Fremantle 6160 Western Australia 8 Limbs Ashtanga Yoga 220 Carr Place Leederville 6007 Tel 61 9 93854743 Graeme Northfield Certified Leone Northfield Brisbane David Roche 47 Sixth Avenue St. Peters, South Australia 5069 NEW ZEALAND Peter Nilsson Jude Hynes Auckland Yoga Academy 1st Floor 33 High Street, Central City Auckland, New Zealand CANADA - AUTHORIZED TEACHERS Ron Reid Downward Dog Yoga Centre 110 Spadina Avenue Studio #212 Toronto, Ontario M5V 2K4

EUROPE - AUTHORIZED TEACHERS


Finland
France
Greece
Italy
Spain
United Kingdom


FINLAND
  
Astanga Yoga Helsinki
Kolmas linja 21 C 60
00530 Helsinki, Finland


FRANCE

Caroline Boulinguez
Centre Samasthiti - Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga
Paris, France


Brigette DeRose Certified
74 Bd Gambetta
62100 Calais

Philippe Mons Certified
86 Rue De La Gare
59350 St. Andre

Odile Morcrette Certified
20 Rue Fenelon
59000 Lille


GREECE

Radha and Pierre
Yoga Plus
Crete


ITALY

Lino Miele Certified
Tina Pizzimenti Certified
Astanga Yoga School
Via Vasi 18/A
Rome Italy


SPAIN

Tomas Zorzo Certified
Camino Diez
Astanga Yoga Center
C/ San Bernabe 7-3ª
33002 Oviedo
Spain


UNITED KINGDOM

Oxford Timetable

Michael Taylor
Elisabeth Wilson
Astanga Vinyasa Yoga in the North
3 Owlers Walk
Todmorden
Lancs, OL14 8HY


John Scott Certified
Lucy Crawford Scott
The Space at Number 8
8 Chapel Street
Penzance, Cornwall TR18 4AJ
England


Hamish Hendry
Yoga Therapy Centre
Royal Homeopathic Hospital
60 Great Ormond Street
London WC1N


Cathy Louise Broda
Yoga Therapy Centre
Royal Homeopathic Hospital
60 Great Ormond Street
London WC1N


The Yoga Centre
1 Meadow Place
Edinburgh EH9 1JZ
Scotland




*

Part 3 Teachers' Listings on Ashtanga.com updated January  2004

The procedure for obtaining a teacher's listing on Ashtanga.com is outlined below. Only Sri K. Pattabhi Jois and Sharath Rangaswamy of the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute (AYRI) can issue teaching authorizations and certifications for Ashtanga Yoga. Inquiries about teachers' qualifications should be directed to the individual teachers. Teachers are responsible for verifying the accuracy of the information in their listings. Ashtanga.com and its creators, producers, and deliverers assume no liability or responsibility for any errors or omissions in the class listings on this site. The teachers' listings on the Classes pages are approved by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois.

1. Starting in January 2003, the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute will issue NEW official authorization letters to authorized Ashtanga Yoga teachers. All authorized teachers are requested to send their original authorization letters to AYRI in exchange for official authorization letters on AYRI letterhead. AYRI will then notify Ashtanga.com of the teachers' names that can be re-listed on Ashtanga.com. Failure to turn in your original authorization letter may result in removal from the teachers' list.


2. "Certified" Teachers: Contact betty@ashtanga.com to send a photocopy of the official government certificate via email (scanned image of certificate), fax, or post in order to be listed on Ashtanga.com.


3. Verbally Authorized Teachers should write to AYRI to request the new official authorization letter. Please enclose a photograph of yourself with your correspondence.


4. Class Schedule Requirement: In addition to receiving certification or authorization to teach, you are required to teach Ashtanga Yoga in the TRADITIONAL FORMAT. The traditional format consists of daily classes in the Mysore style in correct sequential order and without deviation from the traditional form of the asanas as taught by Sri K. Pattabhi Jois at the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute in Mysore, South India. The traditional format includes the practices outlined in the Yoga Mala, Astanga Yoga by Lino Miele, and Ashtanga Yoga by John Scott. Explicitly indicate on your website and brochures that such traditional Ashtanga Yoga is offered.


5. Omissions from the List: Teachers' names may be omitted from the list if they are on hiatus or are not currently offering classes in the style or quantity required for a listing.


Please send all AYRI correspondence regarding authorization letters to:


R. Sharath

Gokulam, Mysore 570002
Karnataka, India


***



Teachers LIST Jan 2004 Ashtanga.com 
( this list was clearly used as the basis for the later AYRI list)
Note: 87 teachers mentioned on this list

United States | Africa | Asia | Australia & NZ | Canada | Europe | South America | Traveling Teachers

United States



California


Louise Ellis Certified

Ashtanga Yoga Center

Fayetteville, AR 


Northern California



John Berlinsky

Lea Watkins 
YogaStudio - Mill Valley, CA 

Leigha Nicole 
YogaStudio - Larkspur Landing CA 

Vance Selover

Zoe Slatoff

7th Heaven Yoga
Berkeley, CA 

Clayton Horton

Greenpath Yoga Studio
San Francisco, 



Manju Jois Certified

(son of Sri K. Pattabhi Jois)

Leucadia, CA 92024


Tim Miller Certified

Astanga Yoga Center
Encinitas, CA 

Mary Jo Mulligan

San Diego, CA


Maty Ezraty

Chuck Miller Certified

Yoga Works Montana

Santa Monica, 


Kimberly Flynn Williams

Noah Williams Certified

Ashtanga Yoga Shala

Los Angeles, 


Jorgen Christiansson

LA Yoga Center
Los Angeles, CA 



Steve Dwelley

Ashtanga Yoga Shala

Santa Barbara, CA 


David Miliotis

Andrea Werner Miliotis

Santa Barbara Yoga Center





Colorado

Richard Freeman Certified

The Yoga Workshop
Boulder, CO 


Annie (Grover) Pace Certified

Crestone, CO 

Gary Damsky

Telluride, CO





Wisconsin

David Ingalls

Ashtanga Yoga Center

Wisconsin Washington, D.C.


Florida

Keith Moore
Florida



Wayne Krassner

Miami Beach, FL


Hawaii



Nancy Gilgoff

House of Yoga and Zen
Makawao, Maui, HI 

Bhavani Maki

Ashtanga Yoga Kaua'i


Cathy Louise Broda

Purple Yoga Hawaii
Honolulu, HI 

Nicki Doane

Eddie Modestini

Maya Yoga
Paia, HI 

Norman Allen

Kona, HI



David Williams

Maui Fitness Plus 
Kihei, Maui, Hawaii



Illinois


Amy Beth Treciokas

YogaNow
Chicago, 


Louisiana

Melanie Fawer Certified
The Yoga Room
New Orleans, LA 


Michigan


Matthew Darling


New York




Guy Donahaye

Ashtanga Yoga Shala


New York, NY 

Govinda Kai

New York, NY 

James Butkevich



Texas



David Swenson

Ashtanga Yoga Productions

Houston, TX 


Seattle



David Garrigues Certified
 
Catherine Garrigues Certified

The Ashtanga Yoga School
Seattle, WA 98122


Carola Schmid

The Practice Space

Seattle WA 



Africa - Authorized Teachers

Egypt

Charlie Taylor-Rugman

Ashtanga Yoga Cairo
 
Zamalek, Cairo






Australia & New Zealand - Authorized Teachers

Australia


Eileen Hall Certified

Paul Frechtling

Ashtanga Yoga Moves
Paddington, NSW




Dena Kingsberg Certified

Centre of Balance
 Byron Bay 2481 NSW



Iain Clark Certified

Ashtanga Yoga Shala




Monica Gauci

Gregor Maehle

8 Limbs Ashtanga Yoga 
Leederville, Western Australia


Graeme Northfield Certified

Leonie Northfield

Absolute Astanga 
Yoga
 Cooroy  QLD



David Roche Certified

St. Peters, South Australia 5069



New Zealand

Peter Nilsson
Jude Hynes




Mike Berghan

Victoria Grouden
Te Aro Astanga Yoga

Wellington, Aotearoa
 


Canada - Authorized Teachers

Ron Reid

Downward Dog Yoga Centre

Toronto, Ontario 



Mark Darby Certified

Joanne Darby Certified

Ashtanga Yoga Studio

Montreal, Quebec 

Fiona Stang

City Yoga
Vancouver, BC 



Europe - Authorized Teachers

Denmark | Finland | France | Greece | Italy | Spain | Sweden | United Kingdom

Denmark

Gwendoline Hunt

Astanga Yoga Skole 
København
Copenhagen



Finland

Juha Javanainen

Petri Räisänen

Monna Gronlund

Astanga Yoga School of Helsinki 

Helsinki, Finland


Anne Nuotio

Helsinki, Finland

France

Caroline Boulinguez


Ana Maria Magalhaes
 
Paris 


Brigitte Deroses Certified

Calais

Philippe Mons Certified

St. Andre



Odile Morcrette Certified
 
Lille


Greece


Radha Warrell

Pierre Seghir

Yoga Plus
Crete


Kristina Karitinos Ireland

Yoga Practice in Mani Greece

Maria Papaioannou

Aerodromio Mykonos 


Italy

Lino Miele Certified

Tina Pizzimenti 
Certified
 Ashtanga Yoga School Roma


Spain

Tomas Zorzo Certified

Astanga Yoga
 Oviedo, Spain


Camino Diez
 
Lanzarote, Spain



Sweden

Charlotte Lindstrom


United Kingdom

Michael Taylor

Elisabeth Wilson

Astanga Vinyasa Yoga in the North

Todmorden,Lancs, 


John Scott Certified

Lucy Crawford Scott

The Yoga Studio

Newlyn, Penzance, Cornwall 





Hamish Hendry Certified

Anna Wise 

Astanga Yoga London 
 NW1 London



R. Alexander Medin 
Certified
Yoga Place E2
Bethnal Green Road, London 

Tracy West

Birmingham 

South America - Authorized Teachers

Chile

Gustavo Ponce

Yogashala

M. Sanchez 
Las Condes, Santiago, Chile



*

Traveling Teachers - Authorized

Ashtanga Yoga teachers who are always on-the-go. See Workshops for individual workshop locations and details.

Joseph Dunham


Anthony Carlisi


Rolf Naujokat (Certified)


Kirsten Berg


Dominic Corigliano (Certified)

Saisha Stephanie Petersen


Michael Gannon



Randy Parrish




The current Ashtanga.com list can be found here

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4. AYRI.org
Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute, Mysore, India
(Now KPJAYI)


May 2007

1. How do I become an authorized/certified Ashtanga Yoga teacher?

You must receive an official Authorization Letter or Certification Certificate through the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute (AYRI) located at #235, 8th Cross, 3rd Stage, Gokulam, Mysore 570002, Karnataka, India. Only the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute issues valid teaching authorizations and certifications for Ashtanga Yoga. Participation in the Sri K. Pattabhi Jois workshop tours and trips to AYRI locations outside of Mysore do not count towards authorization or certification.

NOTE: A student should by no means visit AYRI in Mysore for the sole purpose of getting authorized. Their visit should primarily be for their own education of the lineage to further their own practice under correct guidance of Pattabhi Jois.

2. What is the difference between Authorization and Certification?

There are two categories of teachers, "authorized" and "certified." Both types of teachers receive documents from the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute indicating their teaching status. Authorized teachers generally are permitted to teach only the Ashtanga Yoga Primary Series and generally have made at least four trips to AYRI Mysore of 3+ months. The student must also demonstrate appropriate attitude, devotion to the practice, and proficiency in the Primary Series (and usually at least half of the Second Series) as determined by the directors of AYRI. Certified teachers have completed at least the first three series of Ashtanga Yoga and must demonstrate an appropriate level of proficiency in these series as determined by the directors of AYRI. These students generally have made 8 or more annual trips to AYRI Mysore and have at least 8-10 years of daily Ashtanga Yoga practice.

NOTE: AUTHORIZATION SHOULD NOT BE REQUESTED BUT GIVEN. The decision to give authorization or certification to teach is by no means solely dependent on the number of times a student has visited Mysore. It is based upon Guruji and Sharath’s evaluation of the person, his/her commitment and full respect of the lineage of the practice. Authorization is given with the trust that an AYRI student will teach as he/she has been taught in Mysore by Guruji and Sharath.

These guidelines are subject to change and do not constitute an official published policy of the Ashtanga Yoga Research Institute in Mysore, India. Please use these guidelines for your personal information only.





5. First AYRI ONLINE Authorised/Certified List
22 Aug 08 


Asia | Australia & New Zealand | Central & South America Europe | North America (Canada & USA 
* Certified


ASIA


India


Shri K. Pattabhi Jois, Director
K. Pattabhi Jois Ashtanga Yoga Institute, Mysore
www.kpjayi.org

Shri R. Sharath, Assistant Director
K. Pattabhi Jois Ashtanga Yoga Institute, Mysore


Saraswathi Rangaswamy *
K. Pattabhi Jois Ashtanga Yoga Institute, Mysore
www.saraswathiashtanga.com



Sharmila Mahesh
K. Pattabhi Jois Ashtanga Yoga Institute, Bangalore

Rolf Naujokat *
Goa, India

Louise Ellis *
Rishikesh, India

Maya Rao
Mumbai

Monica Marinoni
Ashtanga Yoga Auroville

Gabriella Pascoli
Ashtanga Goa


China


R. Alexander Medin *
The Landmark Mandarin Oriental Hotel, Hong Kong

Hortario Perez
Oriental Spa, Hong Kong


Japan


Govinda Kai * 
Mae Yoshikawa
Fukuoka

Ken Harakuma
Ashtanga Yoga Japan, Tokyo

Barry Silver
Ashtanga Yoyogi, Tokyo

Kranti
Under the Light, Tokyo


Singapore

James Figueira
The Yoga Shala, Singapore


Taiwan


Russell Altice Case 
Sally Evans
Ashanga Sangha, Taipei


Huang Chih Jo (Gladys Huang)
Space Yoga, Taipei


Thailand

Kirsten Berg  
S Mitchell Gold
Ashtanga Yoga Koh Phangan
Koh Phangan, Thailand




 Australia & New Zealand 


Aus - New South Wales

Eileen Hall *
YogaMoves, Bondi Junction

Dena Kingsberg *
Centre of Balance, Byron Bay

Nikki Fulford
Yogamat, Bondi Junction


Aus - Queensland

Iain Clark *
Ashtanga Yoga Shala, Paddington

Graeme Northfield *
Absolute Astanga Yoga, Cooroy


Aus - South Australia

David Roche *
Have Yoga - Will Travel, St. Peters


Aus - Victoria


Karyn Grenfell
Melbourne - Western Australia

Rob Schütze  
Jean Byrne
The Yoga Space, West Perth


New Zealand

John Scott *
Stillpoint Yoga, Nelson

Michael Norman Berghan
Te Aro Astanga Yoga, Wellington


Central & South America 


Brazil

Praça Santos Dumont,
 Rio de Janeiro - RJ, Brazil

Fábio Sayão
Ashtanga Yoga São Paulo

Ana Maria Magalhaes
Via Corpo, Salvador-Bahia

Sara Dubois
Ashtanga Yoga Atibaia


Chile


M. Sanchez Fontecilla,  S
antiago, Chile


Loreto Cortés
Ashtanga Yoga Chile, Santiago


Costa Rica


Mariela Cruz
Namasté Ashtanga Yoga Studio, San José



Europe

Austria

Horst Rinnerberger
Pure Yoga - Ashtanga Yoga Vienna


Belgium


Anne Pinette Meadows 
Brussels


Denmark

Susanna Finocchi & Jens Bache
Astanga Yoga School of Copenhagen


Finland


Juha Javanainen
Astanga Yoga School Helsinki


France

Brigitte Deroses *
Calais

Odile Morcette *
Lille

Germany

Bettina Anner
Köln, Germany


Heike Katharina Schmidt
Dvipada Studio, Cologne

Greece


Limni Evias 
Greece


Italy

Lino Miele * 
Tina Pizzimenti *
Scuola di Ashtanga Yoga, Roma


Norway

Taran Bhattal
Puro Yoga, Oslo


Poland

Basia j Lipska
 Wroclaw, Poland


Portugal

Casa Vinyasa,
  Lisbon, Portugal


Russia

Mikhail Konstantinov
Ashtanga Yoga Center, Moscow

Spain

Tomas Zorzo *
Centro de Yoga Ashtanga, Oviedo

Katia Garcia
Ashtanga Yoga Sadhana, Oviedo

Camino Diez
Centro de Yoga Ashtanga, Lanzarote

C Juanelo  
Madrid, Spain

Paseo Isabel 
Barcelona, Spain

Calle Pelayo 
Barcelona, Spain

Nick Evans
Yoga Studio, Barcelona

Eva Oller Ribosa
Estudio de Yoga, Barcelona


Sweden

Charlotte Lindstrom
Ashtangayoga.nu, Stockholm

Maria Boox
Yogashala Stockholm

Bill Brundell
Planet Ashtanga Yoga, Stockholm

Switzerland

Brett Prozio
Zurich


United Kingdom


Hamish Hendry * 
Anna Wise
Astanga Yoga London

Roberta Giannotti
Astanga Yoga London

Katie Heller
Astanga Yoga London

Lynne Pinette
West London Ashtanga Yoga, London

Cary Perkins
Yoga Place, London

Sarai Harvey-Smith
London

Beverley Sowerby
Ashtanga Yoga Bath

Simon Chandler
Ashtanga Yoga Bath


 North America (Canada & USA )
* Certified

Canada

Mark Darby *
Joanne Darby *
Sattva Yoga Shala, Montreal

Paul Gold 
Rachelle Gold
Ashtanga Yoga Shala, Toronto

David Robson
Ashtanga Yoga Centre of Toronto

Jeff Lichty
Harmony Lichty
Living Breathing Yoga


USA 


Arizona

Lisa Schrempp
Tucson, 

JB Linsky
USA - Northern California

Vance Selover
Ashtanga Yoga Berkeley

Heidi Lender & John Wilhelm
Ashtanga Yoga San Francisco

Adarsh Williams
Ashtanga Yoga Palo Alto



USA - Southern California

Manju Jois *
Leucadia

Tim Miller *
The Ashtanga Yoga Center, Carlsbad

Maia C. Heiss *
Ashtanga Yoga Malibu

James Butkevich
Ashtanga Yoga Los Angeles

Diana Christinson
Pacific Ashtanga Yoga Shala, Dana Point

Steve Dwelley
Ashtanga Yoga Shala, Santa Barbara


USA - Colorado

Richard Freeman *
The Yoga Workshop, Boulder

Annie Pace *
Shakti Sharanam, Crestone

Leigha Nicole
Splendid Yoga, Crestone

USA - District of Columbia

Keith Moore
Ashtanga Yoga Center DC

Faith Scimecca
Woodley Park Yoga, Washington DC



USA - Florida


Kino MacGregor *
Miami Life Center, Miami Beach

Tim Feldmann
Miami Life Center, Miami Beach

Greg Nardi
Miami Life Center, Miami Beach



USA - Hawaii

Noah Williams *
Pahoa, Hawaii

Anthony "Prem" Carlisi *

Chuck Miller *
Honokaa, Hawaii

Pamela Luther
Simply Ashtanga, Maui

Kimberly Flynn
Pahoa

Eagle
Pineapple Yoga, Kauai



USA - Illinois

Amy Ananda, 
Chicago



USA - Kentucky

Laura Spaulding
Yoga East, Inc., Louisville


USA - Louisiana

Melanie Fawer *
Asthanga Yoga Room, New Orleans

Jessica Blanchard
Balance Yoga & Wellness, New Orleans

Jill Ainsworth
Mysore New Orleans



USA - Massachusetts

Dominic Corigliano *

George Whiteside & Jean Cho
Cambridge, MA 



USA - New Mexico

Mary Jo Mulligan
Santa Fe, New Mexico



USA - New York

Eddie Stern *
Broome Street  New York NY

Sarah Plumer
Broome Street #2 New York NY 10013 

Karri Jinkins
Broome Street #2 New York NY 

Barbara Verrochi
The Shala Yoga House, New York

Matt Corigliano
New York

Stacey Platt
Tapovana, Sag Harbor


USA - Oregon

Olaf Kalfas *
Portland, OR 97214

Anne Finstad
 Portland

Kevin Kimple
Eugene, OR

David Miliotis 
Andrea Werner Miliotis
Bend, OR 

Stacey Lee
Bend, OR 97701



USA - Pennsylvania

Mary Flinn
Yoga Sutra School, Philadelphia



USA - Texas

Shelley Washington
Austin



USA - Vermont

Christine Hoar
Bristol Yoga, Bristol



USA - Washington

David Garrigues *
Catherine Garrigues *
Ashtanga Yoga School, Seattle


The current KPJAYI Authorisation list can be found here



APPENDIX

Update 2 - Feb 17th 2018

Note: As far as I can tell these are the Certified teachers names left OFF the current KPJAYI List
please correct me if you find them on a different regions list.

This is just the certified teachers, easy to check because the names are in red, i have no idea how many Authorised teachers have been left off the current list.

As you scroll through the list, pause to think of how much each had to pay to be authorised let alone certified as well as all the shala fees they have paid to KPJAYI over the years.

Clayton Horton
Louise Ellis
Anthony Calisi
Dena Kingsberg
Mark Robberds
Ian Clarke
David Roche
John Scott
R. Alexander Medin
Tomas Zorzo
Joanne Darby
Mark Darby
Manju jois
Tim Miller
Annie pace
Richard Freeman
Chuck Miller Melanie Fawer
Dominic Corigliano
Mary Jo Mulligan
Guy Donahaye
John Campbell
Olaf Kalfas
David Garrigues.

*


Update 3
(arising from discussion)


But there is still another list. 

As well as those who have been left off (removed from) Sharath's current 'official' list of certified teachers...

There are the women who inexplicably never made it onto the 'Certified' list in the first place, wives and partners of some of the men who WERE Certified, fellow practitioners who practiced as long, in some cases longer, and with no less devotion and dedication.


Note: most of the men below have since been removed from the current official list

Simi Roche (David Roche)

Nina Kalfis (Olaf Kalfis)

Maty Ezraty (Chuck Miller)

Jocelyne Sterm (Eddie Stern)

Anna Wise (Hamish Hendry)

Mary Taylor (Richard Freeman)

Kiki (Kimberley) Flynn Williams (Noah Williams)

Note: Kimberley Flynn Williams is now certified and on the current list, my understanding however is that She was certified many years after Noah.

Lucy Scott (John Scott)

Leonie Northfield ( Graeme Northfield)

Nancy Gilgoff ( David Williams) Although David was never certified either 

Tina Pizzimenti (Lino Miele)


Note: 
Catherine Garrigues (David Garrigues late wife) was certified



*

Women Certified but no longer on the official list.

Louise Ellis

Annie Pace

Dena Kingsburg 

Joanne Darby

Brigitte Deposes

*

Women certified currently on Sharath's list

Philippa Asher

Sharmila Desai

Eileen Hall

Karyn Grenfell

Lucia Andrade

Pia Lehtinen

Maria Tsarina

Harmony Slater

Magnolia Zuniga

Maia Heiss

Kino Macgregor


*





UPDATE 1
 2018

This from Mark Robberds on fb today ( I just checked, he posted this on his public page as well as his personal page).

Mark Robberds 9 hrs · 
"To end any speculation as to why I have been taken of the KPJAYI list I feel the need to tell my story. In April last year I noticed I had been taken off the list and then a friend informed me that there were rumours going around about it. I wrote to Usha in June to ask if it was true and she replied that, “Yes, we have been told that you are not teaching traditionally and mixing in different things and we are waiting for you to explain yourself”. I wrote back saying that I am teaching 5 days a week Mysore classes and one Led class per week. I teach chanting and philosophy and technique workshops to help students better understand the postures”. She wrote back saying, “Ok, I will inform Sharath.” The next thing I knew I was back on the list. 
So, I’m not surprised that I am now off the list again, as anyone who reads my social media posts would know that I am sharing more than only traditional (KPJAYI) Ashtanga Yoga. So, I’m ok with it, as it is Sharath’s shala and his call. Of course it saddens me because I had such a good connection with him and I have so many fond memories of the times I had as his student. However I don’t agree with everything that is taught, for example I don’t believe that ‘catching’ your ankles or knees in a backbend should be a requirement. I also believe that just as we modify the practice for pregnant women or for disabled people, we need to modify the practice in some way, and address dysfunctional movement patterns in almost all individuals because we all come to the practice with imbalances - otherwise people end up getting injured and leave the practice feeling bitter. All I’ve ever tried to do is help my students practice in a more intelligent and sustainable way so that they can continue to enjoy the practice and integrate it into the rest of their lives for their lifetime. But, I accept that Sharath doesn’t have to agree with my approach, and therefore I accept his decision and I will move forward with no hard feelings. I will continue to share all that I can in the best way that I can and I hope that some of you will continue to practice with me despite what has happened. I also hope that there will be no ill feelings towards/from my friends in Mysore who continue to practice with Sharath and of course no ill will between Sharath and myself. In the end we are all doing the best we can in this life. Big love to all. ❤️  "


Just to illustrate the above...




And screenshots taken from May-June 2017 using Way back machine (internet Archive)

Just by glancing at the certified teachers in RED we can see that Dena Kingsberg, Mark Robberds, Ian Clarke, David Roche and John Scott are no longer on the list, and this is just to mention Certified teachers on the Australia and new Zealand region page. 

If you are inclined to go through the other pages using way back machine, visit https://web.archive.org/ then paste in http://kpjayi.org/teachers-directory/asia/  Click on one of the dates from perhaps the end of last year, (30th December 2017 for example) then visit the other regions on the page that comes up - I might do this myself and add the screenshots to an appendix), feel free to add names you notice that have been removed in the comments section to this post.








FULL KPJAYI Authorised and Certified Teachers list Current and Archive.


 Africa current Feb 2018


archive - pre June 2017


Asia - current Feb 2018





Asia Archive - pre June 2017






Australia/ NZ - Current Feb 2017




Asutralia/ NZ - Pre June 2017 




Central and South America - Current Feb 2018



Central and South America Archive - pre June 2017



Europe Current Feb 2018









Europe Archive - pre June 2017










USA and Canada current Feb 2018










USA and Canada Archive pre June 2017










UPDATE 3


This is a stand alone post for now but will end up as an update to my 'Ashtanga Authorisation 1980s to present' post as I kind of feel I've retired from posting and want to keep my end of year post as the last.

Note: This post will likely be updated over the coming days/weeks

Update: 

As well as KPJAYI authorised teachers writing to me concerned about the new authorisation code of conduct, there are other authorised teachers who are writing to tell me that they personally are comfortable following it. They perhaps tend to maintain a small, humble shala, offering morning Mysore,they have the habit of Moon and Rest days and welcome the clauses regarding sexual harassment and discrimination. Nor perhaps do they have any interest in offering teacher trainings or intensives, I suspect they find running a Morning Mysore program pretty much plenty to be going on with, the code is basically representative of how they have been teaching all along. Also, several teachers have mentioned that Sharath is not, in practice, as strict or as rigid as he can often appear in writing. All the students of his I've come into contact with have tended to stress his warmth and good humour.

That said, in the context of the recent removals of Certified teachers from the list I still have concerns, those are expressed below, the relationship between finances and the list in particular, I still don't understand for instance why there is an authorisation fee, especially one so large when all of these perspective teachers have already been paying a small fortune in shala fees over the years. That a livelihood can be removed or at least compromised so easily. As well as teachers struggling to maintain their shala and wanting the freedom to explore their teaching of Ashtanga with integrity I also find myself uncomfortably in the same camp as teachers who are constantly self promoting themselves through social media, something that bemuses me as much perhaps as it seems to Sharath. I however am prepared to let them get on with it (and unfollow those who share their posts) and allow them explore their practice in their own way, it's a long term practice after all, such obsessions with self are no doubt passing. My anger perhaps comes from the recent treatment of senior teachers of the tradition who I have looked up to. In his forties now I would have thought that like me, in my fifties, Sharath would be looking to them for the wisdom that comes with practicing, from a youth into middle age and beyond.

Note: I've also removed the over the top 'Sign it or Else' from the title, the word 'demand' with regards to signing the code and clarified the paragraph on teachers who have and haven't spoken out about the recent allegations. 

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UPDATE 2 

Sharath's new post on the KPJAYI website, Changes to the Teachers List, a response to the recent criticism. has been added to the end of this post.

My original post follows.....

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Hard on the heels of Sharath's culling of 20+ senior Certified teachers from the KPJAYI list last week is this new 'Authorization/Certificate Code of Conduct' which has been sent out to all teachers to be signed and returned. 

It's assumed that if a teacher doesn't sign it they too will be removed from the list.

Note: In the post title I've referred to the list as Sharath's, the iconic kpjayi.org address now directs to Sharathjois.com.



Many teachers are upset by being forced to sign this legal sounding document (such that a couple have sent a copy of it to me to share), many have criticised it online in groups, shared their confusion and frustration, some have refused to sign and have returned their authorisation.

I've been getting a lot of mail this morning telling me that first 'this teacher' is suddenly off the list and now 'that teacher', it could be that the list is being updated as signed copies of the code are returned to Sharath, we may have to wait a week or two until the dust settles to see who remains on the list and who has been removed.

"To be respectful in conduct, speech and dress".

I'm hoping this clause wont be used against those who question or speak up regarding the current and future administration of KPJAYI or those who may have written comments or shared  posts in support of Karen Rain and the accusations of sexual assault by Sharath's grandfather Pattabhi Jois (for unwanted fondling and sexual touching while bound in a posture and under the guise of an adjustment/assist). I've seen no direct evidence of this, quite the opposite in fact regarding the latter, some who have spoken out have remained on the list.

I'm hoping that it's not nor will be the case. In this climate however it may explain why so few teachers have spoken out in support, out of fear perhaps of their own Authorisation being revoked.

This is especially ironic as one of the new clauses on the code include

"To provide a safe and professional environment free from sexual harassment or discrimination of any kind".

While I appreciate this clause and the insistence that it be on prominent display I can't understand why Sharath STILL hasn't issued a public statement as well as an apology on behalf of the KPJAYI for the actions of his grandfather, that he himself is said to have witnessed and attempted to stop.


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Lets take a moment perhaps to remind ourselves who these Authorised and certified teachers are who are having their authorisation/certification removed and or living under the threat of it.

These aren't teacher's who have practiced yoga for six months or less, attended a Yoga Alliance 200hr TT and then started to teach .


These are teachers who have made a commitment of time and money over years, decades in many cases. They have practiced daily, visited Mysore year after year for several months at a time, been given authorisation after paying a large Authorisation fee and then struggled to open and maintain a shala while continuing to return to Mysore.

The commitment is anywhere between five and ten years, between $4000 and $8000 in shala fees, Authorisation fees of $1000 each for level 1 and level 2 certification. Another decade or more of shala fees for Certification and a Certification fee of perhaps $3000. On top of that, the flights and accommodation.

Revoked on a whim.


Where then is the tradition
where the loyalty.

*See running the numbers in the appendix below


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There is much more in the code one has to agree to that gives cause for concern.

There seems little understanding of how hard it is to set up and maintain a shala in a climate of cut price yoga classes on more corners than Starbucks.

The unfortunate necessity of using social media
(however much I might find it grotesque at times some recourse to social media seems to be largely unavoidable)

Is one only to teach as Sharath teaches today rather than how Pattabhi Jois taught in the decade you may have spent with him?

What if an Intermediate series student turns up at your shala, do you have to turn her away, can you adjust, assist or leave them to their own devices. or if you are level 2 and somebody working on 3rd comes into your shala, must you say to them "Sorry, only Second" or if L1 then "...only Primary"

And clause nine, DRESS!!!!

To be respectful in conduct speech and dress

A say in what one wears in his own shala is one thing but is Sharath really seeking to dictate what one wears in ones own shala?

It should all be common sense, but with certification/authorisation being revoked without reason being given and respected senior, certified teachers treated like children, it is perhaps a little vague.

Do you really have to contact kpjayi (Sharathjois.com) to ask about each and every workshop focussing perhaps on practicing some aspect safely, or on Yoga philosophy, a reading group on the Gita?

Does Sharath even understand why you might wish to attend an Anatomy training course or one on Yoga therapy rather than think that Primary is all the therapy you need.


And is it even legal to demand that you return your Authorisation certificate or that you sign this one.


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A friend pointed out that there is perhaps nothing in that code that should be that much of a surprise to KPJAYI teachers, that may be true but context is everything. In this case the context is of twenty certified teachers having their Certification revoked. You can do pretty much anything you like when the criteria is vague and unclear.


Here is the criteria from the kpjyayi.org 2008, the year before Pattabhi Jois' passing.


2008 criteria

and this one from 2012 which i like because it mentions the commitment and dedication of the teachers



2012 criteria



Note: I was informed by a couple of Authorised teachers recently that after Saraswati took back control of the main Shala, Sharath was showing students land outside of Gukulam where a 'mega shala' was planned that might include accommodation. If this is indeed the case, will students and teachers be expected to attend the new shala, paying for accommodation and one might imagine food  there which would affect the local economy surrounding the present shala. 



from my earlier fb post

Thank you A. (for referring to the community as family) it's helpful. Like many home practitioners I often wonder what, if anything, this list, the recent allegations, or the lesser perhaps Ashtanga debate of the day, has to do with me as a home practitioner, why do I feel so....invested. But that's it, it feels like family, however extended. We all do this same practice in our own way, in our homes, our corners our practice rooms or hallways but have all felt perhaps, at one time or another, somewhat connected, on a Friday perhaps when most around the world are practicing Primary ( we conveniently forget about the time difference). And don't we take delight in and for friends who visit Mysore for the first time or become authorised, however much it doesn't seem to concern us because we know it means so much to them. And thus we are equally hurt and dismayed perhaps when and if they are taken off that same list. The waves in Mysore often..., occasionally, ripple through our own practice, put us off our stride, off our breath. Though the wider family shouldn't perhaps concern us, it does, on occasions, seem to help ground us. For many, that centre might be a senior teacher or not so senior, authorised or not, that we may never have met other than perhaps on a workshop or through a book or video, rather than the actual Jois family, depending on which teacher perhaps first inspired us.

This practice often feels absurd, how we often ground or build our lives around it. The wider community, the senior teachers, the Jois family...., Mysore the place, whether going there interests us or not, can make the practice seem a little less nonsensical at those times when the practice doesn't quite seem to justify itself alone. The abuse in the past affects us, the discord in the Jois family affects us, Sharath's recent actions with regards to the list affects us, the latter perhaps because the list feels like a family register and he shouldn't get to screw with it, nobody should..., like those old lineage charts because whether being on it or not interests us we are connected to many who are, however far removed. However much of a prodigal son (or daughter) we may feel, we're related, connected by those same or similar movements we make on a bit of cotton or rubber or both, each day or most days. And I may have little interest in Mysore today, whether the place or a room but perhaps one day...., perhaps one day I may happen to find comfort and warmth in one of those rooms, I have in the past, I no doubt shall again. We remember and tell tales of those big family arguments on family get togethers, holidays, and so easily forget those other times when family was peaceful, accepting and nourishing even if only felt from afar.


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Surely there has to be a better way to go about this whole list business, hopefully all the teachers themselves will come up with a better option that removes the control of one party as well as the financial aspect altogether.




*Appendix


Lets run the numbers

Shala fees for 24 months worked out around 500,000 Rp
that's approx. $8000.00

* note: the 500K rs is an adjusted figure, taking into account shala fees when a teacher perhaps firsts started going ten or more years ago and the fees now.

Authorisation Level 1 $1000
Authorisation Level 2 $1000

Note: Some teachers get authorised L2 straight away so only the one fee 8 not sure if that's higher).

- and remember there are flights and accommodation on top of that.


All that commitment of time and money, a decade or more of ones life revoked on a whim as well as perhaps ones livelihood.

That's around 8 -10 trips over a decade, not unusual although more recently teachers are being authorised much more quickly, half that time perhaps although shala fees are higher.

so lets use another example,

12 months of shala fees - corresponding to 4-6 extended trips  $4000
Authorisation  L1 and L2 $1000

That's $5000 not including flights and accommodation

UPDATE: Just been sent the actual figures for L1 and L2 authorisation
L1 = 88,000rs  $1383.36
L2 = 112,000rs   $1760.64

So 200,000 Rs  - $3000 for both L1 and L2 if done separately, not including the years of shala fees




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Note: Sharath has Authorised around 375 teachers since Pattabhi Jois' passing.
(tricky to calculate as several have since been removed)

on the first example

375 x $8000 =  $3 million
375 x $1000 (authorisation fee) $375,000


on the second example

375 x $4000 -= $1.5 million
375 x $1000  = $375, 000



- That of course is only those teachers authorised, there are all the shala fees of those on their way to being authorised, as well as shala fees of those who have no interest or likelihood of being authorised.

I worked it out before that Sharath's world tours brought in approx. $1,000,000 a year.

Certification is confusing.

There were 23 certified in 2008,
29 on the current mid Jan. 2018 list
but he's decertified 22,

so I guess 28 Certified at around $3000 each, so another $80,000

Authorisation fees $1,000,000
Shala fees              $3,000,000
Certification fees   $80,000

And of course all the fees those 28 teachers paid between authorisation and certification.

Authorised and Certified teachers are expected to keep coming back or, as we have seen they will be deauthorised/decertified, so more and more shala fees.


Appendix 2

Another earlier update, a comparison of the KPJAYI Authorisation/Certification list, pre June 2017 and the current list.

Certified teachers names that appear to be left of the list are, I've double checked but it may be that I missed a name if they have appeared on another region. I find it quite shocking, I wouldn't be practicing had it not been for many names on the list. Note too that the archive I checked was the last couple of years before June 2017, other well know names have been left off the list in previous years. others have been Certified by Pattabhi Jois' son Manju (also, absurdly, removed from the list ) and are not recognised on Sharath's KPJAYI List. The list on Saraswati and Shamilla's www.kpjayshala.com/ still hasn't been put up although the online shop was up on day one.

Note: apologies to Tarik Thami, he is still on the list under the Asian region.
I not too this morning that Dena Kingsberg is BACK on the list


Clayton Horton

Louise Ellis

Anthony Carlisi

Mark Robberds - See Mark's response on his fb page 16th January

Ian Clarke

David Roche

John Scott

R. Alexander Medin - See Alex's 'Letter to Sharath'

Tomas Zorzo

Joanne Darby

Mark Darby

Manju jois

Tim Miller

Annie pace

Richard Freeman

Chuck Miller

Melanie Fawer

Dominic Corigliano

Mary Jo Mulligan

Guy Donahaye

John Campbell

Olaf Kalfas

David Garrigues.

NOTE: I went through the current list (Jan 2018) against the pre June 2017 archive list and found four authorised teachers names missing. Originally I had a list of thirteen that seemed to be missing but nine of those names turned up in different regions.

See this post http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/…/ashtanga-authorisation-198…

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UPDATE 2 - 28th January 2018

I've added below Sharath's response to the recent criticism.

Personally I'm too disappointed to do more than post a screenshot.




I will however, post again the list of names of Certified teachers recently removed from the list, some, one at least, has just been put back on . It's clear some authorised teachers have also been removed, it seems likely that others will be removed in the future

Perhaps it is Sharath who is going 'his own way' and rather than disrupt the living tradition, partly represented by the KPJAYI  List, he should perhaps step down from his position at the KPJAYI ( the actual shala seems to have returned to Saraswati anyway). With the iconic kpjayi.org URL now directing to Sharathjois.com he could perhaps start his own Shala/Institute as well as his own list. 
There, I commented after all.

Below the certified teachers removed from the list (only those removed from between June 2017 and January 2018m, some inspiring teachers never went on to the list in the first place, E.G. David Williams, Nancy Gilgoff, Danny Paradise, David Swenson...). At a VERY rough calculation, around thirty to forty years or more of practice each, I make it as representative of 500 years of daily Ashtanga practice.


Clayton Horton

Louise Ellis

Anthony Carlisi

Mark Robberds - See Mark's response on his fb page 16th January

Ian Clarke

David Roche

John Scott

R. Alexander Medin - See Alex's 'Letter to Sharath'

Tomas Zorzo

Joanne Darby

Mark Darby

Manju jois

Tim Miller

Annie pace

Richard Freeman

Chuck Miller

Melanie Fawer

Dominic Corigliano

Mary Jo Mulligan

Guy Donahaye

John Campbell

Olaf Kalfas

David Garrigues.


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Update 3

Original 2008 message from R. Sharath and 'Pattabhi  Jois' regarding changes to the List.

I was sent this letter from 2008 ( nine months before Pattabhi Jois’ passing ). The letter is Signed by R. Sharath and Pattabhi Jois, suggesting that Sharath’s actions now are in keeping with that earlier letter. Personally, I don’t believe for a moment Pattabhi Jois wrote it or that he was very much aware of what was in it. Sharath I suspect wrote it with somebody else and this seems to signify when Sharath sought to take an over firm grip of the business. With division currently in the family, Saraswati now taking back control of the Shala and Sharath changing the KPJAYI website to Sharathjois,com Sharath seems to be resorting to the same approach to maintain control of the business. Sharath of course may believe he’s acting in the best interests of what he sees as the tradition, I believe he’s mistaken.

Note that it’s stated in the letter that the ‘list’was being moved from Ashtanga.com to AYRI (Ashtanga Yoga research Institute), my suggestion is that it merely be moved back again.






fb - Jan 29th

Perhaps it's the (terribly) amateur historian in me but even though, as a non teaching home ashtanga Vinyasa (krama) practitioner, the (KPJAYI) list should be meaningless to me, I admit to finding a certain.... resonance in it such that I feel (perhaps overly) protective. So many of those names inspired me in the beginning, and later kept me coming back again and again to my mat. It's an imperfect list, so imperfect, a snapshot only and out of shot so many other practitioners who should have ended up on the list, so many men, so many women, often partners of those Certified who practiced no longer than they did and with no less dedication or aptitude...unrecognised, passed over, missed, an imperfect list. But you don't, you really don't, airbrush historical documents, certainly not if you endlessly talk of tradition, you leave it alone, treasure it, respect it, learn from it and through it, you add to it perhaps rather than take away and continue to move onwards. Those names that have been removed are the history of the practice, the tradition of the practice, countless hours of practice, of sweat and devotion and reflection, decades of practice, cumulatively, hundreds of years of daily practice. Why would anyone want to be on a list without such names, doesn't it lose it's magic somewhat? 
I've heard from some who feel that their practice has lost it's sheen of late. I'm somewhat surprised to find quite the opposite (perhaps out of defiance), the practice, or rather being within the practice feels somewhat like the eye of the storm, the nonsense and foolishness drops away. When we lose our way it's there waiting for us however modified however 'unkosher', unauthorised.... and lets face it there is a freedom to unauthorised, unsupervised unapologetic practice...,there is also understanding to be found perhaps off the straight and the oh so narrow. And isn't that what we've looked to those Certified teachers for, to those names on the list as well as the unnamed.., to go off piste, to mine the practice for it's possibilities, it's secrets..., over decades into middle age and beyond, just as Jois did perhaps, as Krishnamacharya certainly did, to search out the hidden ways to face and still yet overcome what is ahead of us and to practice, maintain the practice.



Update: March 2018

Manju Pattabhi Jois has been making his own 'list' on his fb page, including many of those removed from the KPJAYI (now Sharathjois.com) list. It's not clear what the list represents, Authorisation, Blessing to teach, or just an all round good egg list. As I happen to be on it it, I happen to prefer the latter.

“All these people I mentioned in the list are wonderful human beings I know them I worked with them I love them...." -Manju Pattabhi Jois

There is no particular order, Manju just listed a few names as he thought of them over the space of a week or so, some more names may have been added since I posted this or happen to be buried away in the comments.


“Those who have been authorized (blessed) by Pattabhi Jois are good as gold, no body can take it away from you. “ -Manju Pattabhi Jois

“All these people I mentioned in the list are wonderful human beings I know them I worked with them I love them all these people have great respect for Ashtanga and my beloved father Sri k Pattabhi Jois the man who worked hard to put together this system he created many good teachers in the Ashtanga world now he is gone now it's time for us come together make Ashtanga great for ever. 
Love to my ASHTANGA family. By the way English is my 4th language” -Manju Pattabhi Jois

“The list of great yogis and Yogini’s”. -Manju Pattabhi Jois


Niina Valtanen

Vanessa Brouillet

Natasha Symeonidou

Natasa Cvetkovic

Gyöngyvér Pápa

David Williams
Nina savolainen
Tim Miller 
David Swanson

Nanny Gilgoff 

Kristina Karitinou 
(“All my love and respect to Derek Ireland who influenced many Europeans god bless him”.)
 

Margarida Tree

John Scott 

Scott Johnson
Danny Paradise 

Jock Orton 

Petra Visser

Beata Darowska

Alessandro Ciaurri

Giuliano Ananta Vecchiè 

Gerald disse

Linda Munro 

Andrea Lutz 

Cosmin Lance

Alexander Medin

Basia Lipska Larsen

Anthony Grim Hall

Luise Elliss 

Greg Tebb

David Michael Hollander 

Jody Manley

Tina Pashumati 
James
 Ginetta
 Bernard 
Terrilee Bulger

Tihomira Somleva

Anna Bjärkvik

Camila Silver

Prem CARLISI 

Heather Radha
Erik Marrero
Peg Koller
Sean O Tuathalain
Tiffany Jane. 
Laura Fulton Renkes
Gary Herlich
Zoe Mai
Anetta Alexandridi
Alexandra Dimitriou-Mara
Anna Kapetaniou-Fox
Kiros Tzannes
Nektarios Mitritsakis
Katerina David 
Valerio Pandolfi
Cathrin Queins 
Johanna Chemnitz
Tim Miller
Rachel Cieslewicz
Macarena Ferrada
Sandra Howling 
Pranidhi Varshney 
Andrés Alexander Wormull
Patricio Moralo Rueda
Laura Prandino
Minna Wahlman
Madhava sundhara Das
Shuddha Wexler
Shana Marie Stitzel
Teresa Samantha Taylor
Julie Southwell
Aris Kapetanakis
Bryan Burns
Shana Marie Stitzel
Ruta Cypiene
Sarah Florence
Louise hunt

Monday, 20 November 2017

Dropping (much of) Standing, Seated and moving straight to inversions. Asana with pranayama, entry and exit from headstand

"For people over fifty, it is enough to practice some of the easier and more useful asanas, as well as some of the pranayamas." Pattabhi Jois -Yoga Mala

But why wait till fifty?


UPDATE 2

It fascinates me how my practice always seems to settle back into the same old Ashtanga that seeped into the marrow of my bones through all those years of daily practice. It may be a Richard Freeman inspired, Simon Borg-Olivier informed, slightly Vinyasa Krama modified, soft, slow, half Primary/half Second Series Ashtanga but Ashtanga all the same.

I love the practice below and I still start my practice with Simon's Spinal movements before moving on to five sury's ( 3 A/ 2 B). Most of standing though, seems to have elbowed it's way back in and it's pretty standard fare up to Navasana (though Bharadvajrasana in place of Marichiyasana D, as Manju suggested once), before slipping into a YogaSynergy Fundamentals/Vinyasa Krama Bow half 2nd Ashtanga.

The inversion vinyasa's below are fun and I've kept them for now but suspect I'll end up going back to longer static sarvangasana and sirsasana.

Whatever I practice before pranayama strikes me as MOSTLY unimportant ( it could be tai chi, Qi Gong or a long swim just as well as Ashtanga), I'm under no illusion that this was designed as a series or particularly that old, rather a wonderful accident of circumstance but I might as well allow the practice that stole my heart all those years ago to settle back into it's rightful place.


Update 1a


Q: Did you create your own sequence?

A: NO! I didn’t ‘create’ my own individual sequence, I'm a little horrified at the suggestion (thus this update to clarify), certainly not in the sense of trying to develop my own style or teach a new sequence ( I don't teach). Pattabhi Jois mentioned in Yoga Mala that after fifty you can adapt the practice as you wish, choose the asana you find most beneficial along with how you wish to practice them. But that was ALWAYS Krishnamacharya‘s way, throughout his teaching 'career', the asana were not, it seems, fixed in a set sequence. Why wait until you are fifty.

Even though I spent a little time with Ramaswami (Vinyasa Krama), I always seemed to settle back into Ashtanga, the shape of the practice I had become most familiar with, comfortable with. I would adapt the practice, perhaps, take a more 'vinyasa krama' approach, add some extra preparation postures or more advanced versions, developments, but the shape of the practice was basically the same, it was always, to my mind at least, still Ashtanga.

As I explored, in practice for a couple of years, Krishnamacharya's old Mysore texts (following the line by line  close reading module on Ramaswami's TT) I spent longer in certain asana, exploring Krishnamacharya‘s kumbhaka options. That took more time so I cut out asana, reducing my practice down to to ten key asana from the Ashtanga series, a Rishi series if you like ( Pattabhi Jois had mentioned a Rishi series idea to David and Nancy in the 70s, choosing ten postures and practicing them for longer, 25-50 breaths each).

In blog posts I referred to that as 'Proficient Primary', not to promote my own series but rather to indicate that you didn't need to practice 'Advanced asana' to have an advanced practice, you could practice primary series in an 'Advanced' way, or rather in a more proficient way, not only in how we approached our alignment but in how we worked with the breath, with drishti. If you could only do half primary or just a few seated (perhaps in a chair), even just the supine postures you could have an advanced/proficient practice, no deep backbends, arm balances, headstands necessary.

I tended to still do most of Ashtanga standing before moving into those ten asana. Recently I explored some of Simon Borg-Olivier's spinal movements before moving into my asana and finished with some handstand variations to go into asana 'hands free' (to avoid pulling limbs into postures), but it still feels like Ashtanga to me, I personally can still see the shape but it was perhaps the furthest I moved away from straight by the book Ashtanga. It was always about my own home practice, adapting the practice to my needs and what I sought to explore in practice, never to teach to anyone else. Were I to teach (and I have NO intention to do so) it would be to encourage somebody in their own home practice. I feel strongly that a good teacher has NO students, or very few, who will move on to their own personal practice (this of course doesn't mean you can't hold a room, in which case you are not necessarily a teacher but perhaps merely a facilitator - Note: I have no intention to hold a room either).

Personally I feel we should drop the whole Parampara, guru, teacher/student model altogether and let the practice do the work. Be a facilitator, a resource, that a practitioner can reach out to if and when they so choose. The only to time to impose ourselves perhaps is to offer safer practice options, the practice will take us deeper on it's own.

In the end I settled back into a pretty standard approach to Ashtanga because ultimately I found that practice I had worked with for ten years, comforting, just comforting. Now I just do a quick (depending on time) Simon Borg-Olivier style spinal warm up before move into a pretty regular Ashtanga Primary plus a little 2nd, just picking one or two asana a practice to stay longer and explore the kumbhaka options?

Ashtanga is just comforting for me, no doubt because I’ve practiced it for so long now (actually, ten years is not so long), even though I may have explored it through adapting and modifying over the years. I think the potential to adapt the practice to our needs is built into the practice, it was always Krishnamacharya‘s intention. Jois lost his way a little perhaps when he introduced Led classes (madness to try and rush 80 to 300 students into Marichiyasana D on the count) and made it more and more fixed (although we might understand  if not agree with his argument for doing so). Sharath, no doubt, just tries to continue what he saw as his grandfathers legacy but perhaps really we should be going back to early Ashtanga (Manju?) or even further, to Krishnamacharya himself, we have Krishnamacharya's early texts. Pattabhi Jois may have lost his way in more ways than one, when I see video of his led advanced class in the garage on YouTube, his adjustments, on those who clearly aren’t ready for Advanced (possibly not even 2nd) are frankly insane.

Pattabhi Jois didn't invent the Ashtanga vinyasa approach to practicing asana. The instructions for practicing the asana, the drishti, the vinyasa count...., it is all in his teacher Krishnamacharya's early text Yoga Makaranda (Mysore 1934). In Krishnamacharya's Yogasanagalu (Mysore1941) we even find the asana mostly in the order Jois presented them for his four year Sanskrit college course. Pattabhi Jois merely passed along his teacher's teaching. We can question how he passed it along, how he taught, how he behaved without that necessarily questioning what it was he was teaching, the practice stands up on it's own - we can question it separately and we should. We can question Pattabhi Jois' adjustments, how extreme as well as how sexually abusive they were  at times, we can question the introduction of Led classes, how practice was speeded up to accommodate a fixed practice, how kumbhaka was lost along the way, how flexible Krishnamacharya seems to have been in his approach by contrast, we can question Pattabhi Jois' judgement. But even if we remove Pattabhi Jois from the equation altogether we still have Krishnamacharya's texts, the vinyasa, a shape/framework to practice, if not a set sequence (though the asana is presented in almost the same order as Jois, Krishnamacharya seems to have resisted teaching the asana as fixed sequences), we still have the practice as well as encouragement to explore the practice and adapt it to our own needs and preferences.

However much it may be tempting, given the allegations of sexual abuse, to airbrush Pattabhi Jois out the timeline altogether, I recognise I wouldn't have this practice that I'm so grateful for had he not opened his doors, with such generosity, to those early teachers and taught tirelessly for decades. In brushing over Jois we also brush over those who's trust was abused by him and the dynamics, the environment and power structures that allowed it to happen and that are still in place however much we may feel that Sharath, for example, would never behave in the same way. It would also ignore those whose lives were, they feel, transformed for the good through his teaching.

Krishnamacharya stressed that the practice of asana should be explored on a grounding of the yama/niyama, the moral code comes first and foremost as well as accompanying our practice to help us avoid losing our way, to be there to fall back on when we slip (and Patanjali reminds us that we will constantly), to support our practice and what arises out of it. The asana too, for Krishnamacharya, is always in the context of pranayama and pratyahara, it is always a meditative and spiritual practice of radical enquiry in which, for Krishnamacharya, and he would hope for us, God or at least Love is sought. 


UPDATE 1




My current practice, still very much work in progress (when isn't it?).  

Standing strongly influenced by Simon Borg-Olivier and Bianca Machliss' Yoga Synergy Spinal Sequence, 

Seated influenced by Ramaswami's Vinyasa Krama, 

Inversions influenced by Krishnamacharya's early shoulderstand  and headstand vinyasa...., plus ten years of Ashtanga.

Actual speed is approx 40 minutes, I spent less time in some of the asana as well as in the static versions of shoulder stand and headstand than usual, as a rule the whole practice takes about an hour.
Actual speed version to come.



Actual speed, bit wobbly in places still




It took me a long time to come around to these movements in standing, for the longest time all I saw was arm waving. THIS series of videos from Simon Borg-Olivier, where he explains what is happening anatomically, physiologically in all the movements as well as the surya namaskara and  several asana went someway to bringing me around  but even then what I was looking for was a similar explanation for the asana I was already practicing in Ashtanga or in Vinyasa Krama (which Simon has done in his 84 key asana course). In the end it takes a leap of faith, just practicing these movements for a week or two, incorporating them into your regular practice.


some blog posts
On Simon's spinal sequence and diaphragmatic breathing


On YogaSynergy fundamentals course
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/2015/07/just-enrolled-on-simon-borg-olivier-and.html

On Simon's 84 key asana course
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/2017/04/what-is-it-about-mudra-also-simon-borg.html


And a new Blog of mine bringing together my posts on this
https://activemovementyogaathome.blogspot.jp/



In the photos of the practice below I've shown the basic standing spinal movements then the different foot positions those spinal movements are repeated in. I've only shown the one side.

See Update note 1a above, this is not a sequence that I've developed to teach or promote in anyway, it just shows a direction my own personal practice took for a time.









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The post below was originally from August 2017, reposting it for the sun salutation update




My Current practice

A shift (or evolution) from Proficient Primary (see page above) to a more 'Spinal/active movements' approach, inspired by Simon Borg-Olivier

I seem to be dropping most of Ashtanga Primary Standing and Seated postures altogether and moving straight from an opening Spinal sequence to inversions. The few classic seated postures with pranayama exercises I do include, I enter and exit, hands free, from Sirsasana.

Spinal movements

Surya namaskara
(Can't quite bring myself to drop these altogether)
Update:
Simon Borg-Olivier's Simplified/subtle (Method 3) sun salutation x 5, followed by Method 1 Supine sun salutation x3 - see video below

Dandasana
Paschimattanasana /Purvatanasana
bharadvajrasana
Maha Mudra/Janu Shirshasana D
(optional marichiyasana)

Sarvangasana prep
Urdhva Dhanurasana

Sarvangasana - static 5 mins,
Sarvangasana vinyasas

Sirsasana - static 5-10 mins
Sirsasana entry to seated asana inc. pranayama exercises.
- gomukhasana - 30 inhalation

- baddha konasana - 30 second kumbhaka after exhalation
- Baddha padmasana 
- Padmasana Nadi shodhana - 20 second kumbhaka after inhalation

Sit - Siddhasana


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I've been asked where one can find more on this approach.

See this post for an intro into Simon's approach, with videos, links etc

Simon Borg-Olivier made me fall in love with my SPINE all over again


For those not sure about the arm waving, and it took me a while to come around, I recommend Simon's 84 key asana course, see this post where I include a concordance with Ashtanga.


I hear Simon has an online Ashtanga course in the editing stage, should be excellent.

I'm just about to start Simon's 13 week online Yoga Therapy course, more on that to come.



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The videos below give an idea of my current approach to practice.

Spinal movements in different foot positions including a slower version......,

The first five minutes of the video below shows Simon demonstrating some of the spinal movements.


Below- lengthening the inhalation and exhalation, so, one inhalation for both sides of the first exercise/vinyasa, one exhalation for both sides of the second twisting 'exercise/vinyasa


I might include one or more active movement variations of standing asana



After the spinal movements I might do a couple of sury's

Update:
Simon Borg-Olivier's Simplified/subtle (Method 3) sun salutation x 5, followed by Method 1 Supine sun salutation x3 - see video below



I've started skipping standing and most seated postures altogether and am going straight into some shoulderstand preparation postures, these too perhaps from Simon which strike me as important, a revelation in fact. I'm exploring introducing the principles Simon outlined below into my inversion vinyasas - posts to come on this. See Appendix for more from Simon.



Followed by some shoulderstand prep from Vinyasa Krama that Krishnamacharya/Ramaswami recommended.


After a five minute static shoulderstand, lengthening the inhalation and exhalation to twenty seconds for each, I'm tending to include the vinyasas below from Krishnamachary's old 1938 Mysore film footage, as well as perhaps a few other of his vinyasas that may come to mind.


I finish shoulderstands with the standard vinyasas from Ashtanga Finishing, leading into padma mayurasana, followed by...

Urdhva danhurasana

Sirsasana, a five minute static headstand, lengthening the inhalation and exhalation to twenty seconds for each.... followed by the asana below entered from sirsasana and including different pranayama exercises.

The videos below don't include the pranayama.


Gomukhasana - 3 breaths each side - lengthening the inhalation to thirty seconds


Bharadvajrasana - Lengthening the exhalation to thirty seconds


Baddha Konasana A - Kumbhaka: Holding the breath out for thirty seconds


Padmasana: Nadi shodhana 12 rounds - 1:4:2:1 A twenty second Kumbhaka after the inhalation


Back up to sirsasana to stretch out the legs before lowering and entering siddhasana hands free for a twenty or forty minute Sit.



Appendix


Friday, 17 November 2017

'...the Yoga Korunta, which was written on palm leaves' - on preserving palm leaf manuscripts


A new clip from the recent documentary, Mysore yoga Traditions.

See my earlier review perhaps of the recent documentary
Mysore yoga Traditions
Trailer at the end of the post.


Preserving palm leaf manuscripts.



Stills below from the clip.










below, from an earlier post.

'...the Yoga Korunta, which was written on palm leaves'


'The method of Yoga taught at KPJAYI is that which has been told by the ancient Sage Vamana in his text called “Yoga Korunta.” Although many books on Yoga have been written, Vamana is the only one who has delineated a complete practical method. In the 1920’s, the Yogi and Sanskrit Scholar, T. Krishnamacharya traveled to Calcutta where he transcribed and recorded the Yoga Korunta, which was written on palm leaves and was in a bad state of decay, having been partially eaten by ants. Later, Krishnamacharya passed on these teachings to the late Pattabhi Jois, whose school continues to teach this method today'.

I've often wondered what a palm leaf manuscript looked like, well here they are


I'm as sceptical as the next guy about the Yoga Korunta and had pretty much decided it was a myth, a real myth not a well presented argument (whether you agree with it or not) dismissed as a myth.

However, though there is no mention of it in Krishnamacharya's Yoga Makarnada,  I noticed this in the book credits in the first Introduction of Krishnamacharya's Yogasanagalu



Introduction

I did not attempt a detailed review of all ancient yoga treatises since it will make this book very long and perhaps cause boredom to the readers.  Please forgive.  This writing is mainly based on the following texts:

Patanjalayogasutra
Hathayogapradipika
Rajayogaratnakara
Yogakuranti
Upanishads related to yoga
Learning’s from my Guru and self-experience


Certainly not looking to revisit the old Yoga Korunta discussion, not too bothered these days whether it did or did not exist, mainly wanted to show some pictures of palm leave manuscripts.


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See my earlier review perhaps of the recent documentary
Mysore yoga Traditions



https://www.mysoreyogatraditions.com/



Wednesday, 1 November 2017

माया māyā (Illusion) November 2017 Newsletter from Srivatsa Ramaswam

 November 2017 Newsletter from Srivatsa Ramaswami--माया māyā (Illusion)

I am planning to go to India end November and stay there for about 4 months. I am scheduled to teach two programs at Yoga Vahini in Chennai-- a 20 hr Samkhyakarika program in January 2018 and a 100 hr Advanced Vinyasakrama TT program in Vinyasakrama Yoga in February. Then a 50 hr  ten day program on Bhagavatgita at Omyoga in New Delhi in March 2018 . Then the same Bhagavatgita in Hyderabad, @ Yogavahini (March 20 to 29th  yoagavahini@gmail.com 9948312492) You may get the details of the programs in my website www.vinyasakrama.com/Events

I am also likely to do a few other programs in 2018, . I may teach a weekend workshop in Germany in May, a week long programs in Austin TX in June, a week long program on the twin subjects of Samkhyakarika and yogasutras at Loyola Marymount University ( July 28 to August 4), Yogayagnyavalkya a weekend program in Chicago in September and possibly a week long Core vinyasakrama yoga program at Yogakanda, Santiago in Chile in October 2018 (contacto@yogakanda.com). Once the details are confirmed I will have  them  listed in the Events page of my website.

माया māyā (Illusion)

Disciple: Guruji. I have been hearing that there are a few philosophers who say that the universes is not real but only an illusion.
Guruji: Yes they do
D: How can they say that this universe of bricks and mortar and me made of bones and muscles is an illusion?
G: Are you sure that what you see and feel is real.
D: Most certainly, it is obvious. Can there be any doubt?
G: Those philosophers are sure that the universe is merely an illusion just as you are sure that it is all real.
D: How can this be an illusion? It is real, can't they see that it is all real. Won't they feel the pain if hurt?
G: Just as we see they also see this universe, still they assert that it can only be an illusion. They are reasonable thinkers,truth seekers and sincere people: that is why they are called rishis. Since they also have the same experience as we have but still come to a different conclusion we must spare  some time to find out why they say so--try to find what they see that we do not seem to see.

D: What is the Sanskrit word for this illusion we are talking about?
G: There are a few but the most well known one is माया māyā

D; I find that this word is interpreted differently
G: True. It could be different due to the context but it could also depend upon how the word is broken down, analyzed. Usually this samasa (compound word) is split (vigraha) into mA plus yA. Let us restrict the interpretation to the present context which is about the universe. It is "yA mA sA mAya". It is easy to find the meaning of the word 'yA' and it would mean 'the one' in feminine gender.

D: Why feminine gender?
G: It is a peculiarity with Sanskrit . All nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter gender. One reason why the word yA is used is because it is associated with creation.. mother
D: Oh
GL Let us get to the part 'mA' now.

D: 'Yes I see now, 'mA' is mother in many Indian languages and maybe an abbreviation of maatru or mother.
G: Yes one interpretation of the word is mother, here the creatrix or universal mother, She is goddess, sakti one main form of worship, it is one of the six mathas. The word mAyA then would be the one who is the universal mother. MayA, prakriti are used to describle the creative power.

D:Yes we find mAyA a popular name given to girls. Gautama Buddha's mother's name is said to be mAyA. So Maya is the universal sakti or power of creation. But coming to our discussion how does Maya mean illusion?
G: There is another interpretation of the word mA. mA is measure or to measure. In the context of vedanta the created universe is that which is measured or limited or the one that is limited (mA). It should be so understood in the context of vedanta. In vedanta the source of the universe is Brahman which is consciousness unlimited (ananta). In comparison to it the created universe or prakriti is limited. In fact the purusha sukta, a  vivid vedic description of creation from the purusha or brahman, the purusha is said to extend beyond the universe by ten digits indicating that the brahman is unlimited and unbounded whereas the created prakriti is limited. There are references to this in a number of vedic and puranic narrations of creation. The created universe is one part or amsa of the Supreme. Even according to scientists the universe in unbounded but limited-it is limited to an immensely dense  singularity maybe the size of a dime in its origin. The Samkhyas also appear to suggest the prakriti is atomic in its mula or root stage.

D: So mAyA would represent the mammoth creation but finite. Or mAyA would mean the finite one in the context of the source Brahman which is infinite.
G: Now the other interpretation of 'mA'. It  is 'not' or an injunction  'do not' or don't

D: Then it also means who is not, am I right?
G: First let us take the interpretation of 'do not'.  Lord Krishna in the Gita tells Arjuna 'mA sochi (sucha) meaning do not worry. MAyA would mean something that one, the spiritual aspirant is advised not to get involved. Why so? Because it is full of duhkha or pain and sorrow or because it repeatedly enslaves one birth after birth with incessant karmas. This is the main theme of samkhya, yoga and vedanta and a few other Eastern philosophies. They all say that the the outside universe is productive of predominantly duhkha, of course sugar quoted with some pleasures which all creatures love and thus captivated and enslaved. Because it is full of duhkha and makes one do karmas both good and bad the consequences of which are repeated duhkha dominated universe in which one takes repeated birhts. So Patanjali says "This repeated misery-- birth after birth-- should be ended (heyam duhkham anagatam)". Fully agree the Samkhyas and vedantins. renunciates, yogis, sanyasins, vivekis bairagis who lead a completely detached life.

D; So you say Maya could indicate that which should be renounced?  Yes Maya binds everyone offering  some little pleasure for a disproportionate amount of pain and sorrow.
G: Then we have mA meaning 'not' or 'not really existing' whereby we get the interpretation that mAyA is illusion. So mAyA would mean that which does not (really) exist, though it may appear to exist.

D: Who are the scholars that say that the universe is but an illusion or mAyA
G; The most well known of this group are the vednatins who subscribe to the theory of advaita. Other non advaitic vedantins even as they agree that Brahman is the source of everything, that Brahman is 'sat' or real, also imply that the creation also is real, this would be sat vada and satkarya vada. It would mean that the source of the universe Brahman is the reality and then the creation also is a real activity. There are of course a few other non vedic philosophies which imply that the creation is not really real even as they do not subscribe to a real source as Brahman

D: What reasoning these mayavadins put forward to substantiate the assertion that it is all an illusion?
G: Several arguments-- many examples like the rope and snake and others. But one has to reason out step by step.

D: Can we go through the steps you consider helpful?
G: We have done this up to a point  in some of our earlier discussions. Ok let us start. First answer the question about how you are able to experience the universe around you. How does science explain this?

D: We experience the outside world through our senses, even though the senses do not directly experience the objects. They are experienced through sight, hearing, taste smell and the touch. According to science these sensations are transmitted by the sense organs like eyes ears etc., to different parts of the brain where they are processed, collated  analyzed, compared, emotions added and finally the picture is seen by the brain in the brain. They emphasize that the eyes do not see but only the brain sees.
G. But the universe also consists of you, the subject

D: Some scientists also indicate that there is the awareness of one's own body through the nervous system, the afferent nerves. The impulses sent to the brain by the network of nerves are also felt by the brain. Thus we have a composite picture of what we experience-- the outside world and the subject also as part of the universe. The total experience consists of “I seeing the universe”
G: Ok let us say the brain sees everything. But the brain space is limited but what we see is in front of us, say, like you sitting in front of me outside the brain even as   all are within the brain space. Further in the brain the information as processed is in the form of neurons floating around the brain. The whole information may have to be reconverted into some form like what we see.

D I see
G: So the brain after the complete processing in a split second will have to project the whole information exactly as we see, as we experience. And that projection even as it can be assumed to take place in the brain space has to take place in virtual space.

D; Ok like the dream experience taking place in our head during dream state.
G: Now this raises two conclusions. One is that what we see are only the projections of the mind even if we admit that the outside world is real.

D: So the brain  receives information as impulses through the senses then projects them in the virtual space. We see only the projection and not the object per say.
G: Yes without the brain recreating what is received through the senses it is not possible to explain how the objects are seen because the brain cells and neurons are not what is seen. The brain itself receives the information through the senses only as electrical impulses.

D: So according to science it amounts to saying that the brain projects the processed information in the virtual/mental space and it also sees what it projects.
G: But then we have a couple of issues with this. One is, if the brain projects what one sees it will amount to saying that since the brain projects also the subject that experiences the outside world, it would imply this.-- that the brain projects itself because the brain is part of the subject. Can the brain project itself and also see that. Then the question the brain the subject has, what is it, is it the organ brain or the projection? It also has another question to answer: can the brain project itself and also see

D: It also raises another question if the brain has got consciousness which is awareness as we experience is not changing, it is unwavering and experiences everything that we experience everything the brain itself is said to process and project.
G: Also the brain is made of matter, just organic matter created from the food matter taken from the outside world. How does the non-conscious matter produce a non changing consciousness. So we could say that that the view held by science that brain is the one that experiences and also is the one which processes and projects the information received through the senses may not be conclusive.

D So what does it mean I am confused
G: It amounts to saying that we do not see the objects of the outside world and can see only the projection a virtual image in virtual space. The view that the brain processes and projects the sensations received and also sees is not really convincing, tenable. So the  first conclusion we can make is that one can not ascertain that the outside universe really exists which is the default  belief because what we experience can only be virtual.  So many philosophers conclude that one cannot prove that the universe exists, and say it is anirvacaniya or indeterminate.

D: Can we say that it is just an illusion? It appears that it is equally difficult to prove that the universe is real.
G: We have to determine two things here. Since we see the universe of which the physical observer the subject also is a part, is just a projection which is all one can say. It is not the result of real objects that are processed and then reprojected as we have just seen. They can only be objectless projections which can be considered or called as an illusion . There is no creation but only a projection.

D: Yes since according to this line of approach, my world that includes me- your disciple -that I perceive is only a projection. And the brain is not the projector of this world I see because since the brain also is a part of the universe it can not project itself.. Further my brain is not the observer. It is funny, that the common belief that the brain experiences and acts itself is an illusion. Looks as though it is difficult to prove that the world is real. In that case from where this world of mine that I experience--even if it is an illusion-- comes and also who is the observer, because the brain can not see, it has no consciousness.
G: Even among those who view that the individual world is but an illusion, an appearance, differ in their answers to your question. According to a well known Indian philosophy very popular in South East Asia, this question is irrelevant. Once you know the whole thing is but an appearance, there is no purpose served in trying to find more answers using the brain. It is known now that it is but an illusion and that it is also full of misery. The only thing one has to do is to overcome this miserable illusion by proper meditation and remove all thoughts the absence of which will remove all pain and sorrow for ever. The search for the self, the observer, subject or whatever is irrelevant, unnecessary or even counterproductive they would advice.

D: It is tough
G: The other view that can be gleaned from the Bhagavat gita is also interesting. Krishna says inter alia, that He or God  (Maayin) created the universe by the power of his Maya. Maya now can be considered as real but limited creation as we have considered earlier or it can be considered as an illusion. In fact the Lord is called a Mayavi which expression is usually associated with a magician. This will amount to saying that the Lord created the universe but it is just an illusion not material. Again the subject is the Lord/Brahman Himself  which is pure unvarying consciousness who indwells in every body as the atman observing the illusion of each one individually. Ofcourse   one should understand the nature of the self, the Lord and the nature of Maya and attain salvation.

D: Are  there other views which indicate the universe is not as real as we commonly believe
G; There is another religion/philosophy which implies that God created the universe as succession of momentary impulses. Every moment He creates this universe anew-it is continuous creation-- and the individual creatures are caught up in this mammoth illusion. He is the beacon light to get out of this enslaving creation.

D: Thank you.
G: Think about this line of discussion and understand the texts like the Gita the upanishads and the advaita literature of sankara and others to know more about this mAyA. They all aver that our default understanding of the universe and our own selves are defective.

D: It is not difficult to understand why the mayavadins assert that it is all an illusion or mAyA, but it is yet another to 'feel' that it is so. The sages like Suka,  son of Vyasa is  believed  to have remained   completely oblivious to the surroundings and his own body in a state of sahaja samadhi. Gaudapada says to the effect that nobody is ever born  really(na kascit jayate jivaha) or anything is ever created really. All creatures are just organic robots activated by their karma/samskaras, like the dream self that runs around with a illusory body and appears to think with a non existing mind. All creatures appear  confused about the universe and about themselves life after life.
G: Yes

D: What about Advaita which is associated with Mayavada or the theory of Illusion?
G: It is of the vedantic school. In vedanta the source is Brahman which  is unwavering consciousness. This can be immediately identified as the individual consciousness in the subject. In us the body- brain complex, there is consciousness, distinct and uncarying. The vedantins observe that  this body/ mind that constantly changes is known due to the consciousness that as we have seen is independent and not part of the brain that is organic matter and is for ever changing. The consciousness  in us is ever aware of  whatever that goes on as a cittavritti during our childhood then adulthood then old age and according to Lord Krishana into the future lives. It is the same consciousness that is aware of the experiences during waking, dream and deep sleep stages and remains unaffected even in the yogic state of kaivalya or turiya. So all that is experienced is in this atomic brahman whose essence is pure consciousness unaffected by time or space. Everything that is experienced takes place within it ( so is unaffected by space) as a mayavritti or an illusion but appears without it and appears real. That is why in the initial stages one meditates within oneself to locate the atman. So the whole, ever changing experience I have is my world which is an illusion stream is taking place within me within the consciousness Brahman/Atman

D: One more question. Even to experience an illusion one needs eyes and ears, like watching a magic show
G: Not necessarily. Take the case of your dream experience. Dream is an illusion that appears to take place within you. At that time according to science, most motor activities are paralyzed, you forget yourself. Dream experience takes place  without the senses coming into play. The dream self sees illusory dream objects with illusory senses and thinks with a brain which is an illusion.  Similarly the whole life experience takes place within the Self, the non changing pure consciousness

D: So Brahman the source of my illusory world is the consciousness that should be called as  I
G: Yes . Ok be calm, study the texts, think deeply,internalize and  clear  all  doubts.